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View Poll Results: Will the debt cieling be raised on or before Aug 2?
Yes, cieling will be raised by some dubious last minute agreement and the government's spending recklessness will continue as usual... 58 77.33%
No agreement will be reached and the US will default 17 22.67%
Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-19-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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I don't like the biased way you framed your questions.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:16 PM
 
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yes, privatizing social security is in the interests of our senior citizens.

people should have actual accounts, not money stolen from them that the government wastes while promising to pay it out later when the government may or may not have the ability to do so.
Here, here.......I agree with you. individual SS accounts are the way to go. And the account should be opened at birth and you cannot touch the money until you are 65.
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Old 07-19-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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Silent Majority? Sounds like the return of Nixon speechwriter, Pat Buchanan.

But overall, Comical. Your reading of the map is what makes clear your confusion on the positions.

Here is the real map of the land. Most Americans are Not Democrats nor "liberal" whatever that means. Most Americans are Not Republicans nor "conservative" for whatever your great truth-teller Rush Limbaugh has told you that means.

The Tea Party is a wacky-noodle subset of the Republicans -- which makes you a Second-Order Minority. Silent or otherwise, your Tea Party is a pack of nutcase Minority. Sorry, check the numbers. Even the legit Corporate Republicans only use you and shun you.
There you do;wacky-noodle subset and you wander why the left cannot unite the country. Its the evil wall street.corporate 'neo-con conspiracy enemies list long than Nixon could even dream of. its like Obama stupid police. greedy wall street.corporate corrupt talk as always. Them he thinks he can lead those he has called enemies.He will be judged by his results and not nhis rethoric..I really don't see why he doesn't just call for liberals to creat those jobs he has doom by his constant enemies listing.Now we see polls that 2/3 think we are devived more than under Bush but 40% say its the powrse i their lifetime.T hat is the newly released USA Today poll.So keep the Rethoric up and await the failed policy results coming.
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Old 07-19-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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Kick the can down the road.............United States Of Ameritard................heck yeah....................20-22 Trillion by the end of 2016.
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:48 AM
 
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think about it, this just isn't the US.

as mish put in his blog:



Sovereign debt default crisis in Eurozone PIIGS: Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain.
US debt ceiling concerns
US fiscal deficit concerns
US total debt concerns
Reckless, unsustainable credit growth in China
Rampant inflation in Brazil, Russia, India, and China, the BRIC countries.
Yuan peg to the US dollar
Debt and deficit concerns in the UK
Japan interest rate and total debt concerns
Massive global trade imbalances

I could easily add another 10 items related to global housing bubbles, demographics, unfunded future liabilities, state pension plans etc.

it's a mess all over the world.

people who say that this is "under control" are kidding themselves, especially in light of the fact that nothing has been actually fixed.
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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this is how stupid obama and his followers are. the guy has no clue how things work in the real world:


"The issue is they've got to start placing their bets on America. It is time for companies to step up," he said. Obama said American taxpayers supported many businesses during the recession due to measures aimed at stimulating growth and preventing financial collapse.
"Companies have benefited from that, and they're making a lot of money. And now's the time for them to start betting on American workers and American products," Obama said."
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Old 07-20-2011, 09:58 AM
 
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this is how stupid obama and his followers are. the guy has no clue how things work in the real world:


"The issue is they've got to start placing their bets on America. It is time for companies to step up," he said. Obama said American taxpayers supported many businesses during the recession due to measures aimed at stimulating growth and preventing financial collapse.
"Companies have benefited from that, and they're making a lot of money. And now's the time for them to start betting on American workers and American products," Obama said."
Cappy -- Actually trying to learn something from you here -- about you and your Tea Party folks and on and on.

So maybe I am stupid, too or something, but if the implied part of Obama's comments are -- so we will start some tax policies that "encourage" this good behavior -- such as ending OPIC support, taxing imports, and giving breaks to genuine Made In The USA products, is that not a good thing?

(btw, not saying that is the case, but if it were the case, would that not be a good thing by Tea Party standards?)
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Old 07-20-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Cappy -- Actually trying to learn something from you here -- about you and your Tea Party folks and on and on.

So maybe I am stupid, too or something, but if the implied part of Obama's comments are -- so we will start some tax policies that "encourage" this good behavior -- such as ending OPIC support, taxing imports, and giving breaks to genuine Made In The USA products, is that not a good thing?

(btw, not saying that is the case, but if it were the case, would that not be a good thing by Tea Party standards?)
its stupid to tell businesses its time to "step up and hire." businesses will hire when they feel comfortable that they will be able to have a good return on their investment.

and obama hasnt done anything good for businesses. you want lower taxes, less regulation and more certaintly about whats going to happen in the future. the guy is so dumb that he tries to make short term incentives and pretend they will help anybody. look at his brilliant idea to release oil from the strategic reserve, how is that going to help anybody? obama makes george bush look like a supergenius.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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its stupid to tell businesses its time to "step up and hire." businesses will hire when they feel comfortable that they will be able to have a good return on their investment.


and obama hasnt done anything good for businesses. you want lower taxes, less regulation . . . .
No love for Obama on the business front, but . . . .

Who is that "you" you are talking about? I do business. Have for years.

Low taxes and low regulation have given US crap like the banks (after Glass-Stegall was pulled off), and dropping tariffs (taxes) have been generally bad for US. Do you actually do any real business?

Just asking because with fair taxes and fair regulation, most of US real businesses do better. It is not a more or less thing -- quantity, as it were. It is a quality thing. Follow the difference?

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and more certaintly about whats going to happen in the future.
The future is usually covered by business contingency planning -- not really a .gov prediction machine. Almost sounds like you might want a . . . Socialist or Planned Economy, there? Just teasing you, but you follow the entire housing bubble was based on folks that thought they knew the future.

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the guy is so dumb that he tries to make short term incentives and pretend they will help anybody.
Short-term is the new long-term planning in A.D.D. America.

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look at his brilliant idea to release oil from the strategic reserve, how is that going to help anybody?
Dunno about that, either. I think the entire US is pretty stupid for trying to stick with Oil, either way. That might be a useful .gov plan. Cut Oil for fuel use something like 5% a year, and we would be off it in 20 years. And lead the world in doing so.

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obama makes george bush look like a supergenius.
I kind of look at them as pretty much the same character working for the same folks.

But back to you and Tea Party folks. I recall you saying that you would like the Endless Wars over, and the troops home. That is not Tea Party endorsed thinking is it? Most of them are for the wars and more, no?
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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But back to you and Tea Party folks. I recall you saying that you would like the Endless Wars over, and the troops home. That is not Tea Party endorsed thinking is it? Most of them are for the wars and more, no?
i have heard different politicians and talking heads that support the tea party on both sides of the matter. i heard hannity yesterday very unhappy with the idea of cutting the military but the person he was talking to was a republican (didnt catch who he was) and he said that many people favor smartly reducing the military such as overseas bases and ending wars that dont directly defend american interests. we are subsidizing the entire world with our military and its time they pay for their own protection. europe (already on the verge of collapse) would no longer be a going concern if we pulled our bases from that area. ron paul most definitely agrees with ending those wars and i love ron paul.

the tea party isnt exactly a united front that has consistent positions on everything. people are always attacking their social positions but as far as i know the tea party doesnt have any social positions (but members within it have their own positions).
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