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Old 09-29-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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If people want to do something that's actually effective to stop it, they will have to do public protests on the streets. That means they will have to block traffic and most likely get arrested. Most people don't want to do that, which is why we're becoming an oligarchy/dictatorship.
Actually, if you look at it more fundamentally, you'll see why this is wrong.

150 years ago, you could get into any business you wanted without anyone to stand in your way. Further, there was almost nothing anyone could do, to obstruct you. Oh, there were local examples of public corruption, where governments acted at the behest of certain influential people, but as a whole, there was simply no way to forcibly "protect" yourself from competition, other than hired thugs or other criminal behavior.

Today, everything is so regulated, and so tightly locked down, that if you want to do something outside the status quo, your biggest obstruction is public authorities.

The change is not that people don't want to protest. It's that in the past, change came about simply by people doing what they should do, and not needing to try to protest government into directing change.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:36 AM
 
Location: North America
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The Fed's balance sheet will grow forever, they are leveraged more than 50:1. Everything they do hurts the productive in the economy. We suffer as the few speculate. What are the best strategies to protect the wealth of the worker/saver/productive investor? Are there things we can to to try and collapse the Fed?
I'm told that QE is not inflationary.

So far it hasn't been.

US Daily Index » The Billion Prices Project @ MIT
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Old 12-28-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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I'm told that QE is not inflationary.

So far it hasn't been.

US Daily Index » The Billion Prices Project @ MIT
QE has not been inflationary because the new money created does not enter the general circulation. And not only doesn't QE add money to the general economy, it essentially removes a great deal of interest income from the private sector, which has to be deflationary if anything. One major reason to even have QE is to stimulate some inflation, so in that sense it has failed.
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Old 12-28-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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Those who own the money and the World's Resources will not stop ultimately until you agree with their Religious ideology. If you look it up, you will see that these people ultimately think they are evolving to become gods and it is there responsibility to make it happen. Just like Adolf Hitler. Because it is the same wicked spirit leading the charge. The method is through the myth of Evolution. In their theology, those deemed an "inferior race" will be eliminated as they are deemed as holding back the evolution of the rest of Mankind. The race deemed inferior, as it has been through the centuries, is Judaism and Christianity specifically, Just like the Bible record supports.

Ultimately their theology is that they are all gods or will become gods with everyone else here to serve them. The problem is with many gods, they will eventually look to eat each other in the efforts to be King of the Mountain.

Ultimately the goal is a CASHLESS society. The method looks to be through Hyperinflation of the dollar, and establishment of a World Reserve Currency with a "basket of currencies". The basket looks to go to one universal currency which eventually will proceed toward a cashless society. Socialism/Communism looks to be full throttle when this happens. We will all have our own little ID Chip that is NECESSARY to live.

All the POWER goes to the few at the top.. Everyone else is pawns.

Ultimately this is all Biblical Prophecy and these "gods" will be destroyed by the One True and Living God Jesus Christ as He puts ALL ENEMIES under His feet. According to Prophecy, these "Kings of the Earth" will be asking for the Rocks of the Earth to fall down on them to hide them from the brightness of His Coming.

This is all testimony that what the Bible says is truth. Without God there is not absolute truth, only randomness and varied opinions, but the REALITY is that there IS a TRUTH that we will ALL be confronted with - the existence of GOD as REALITY.

A Revolution is EXACTLY what those powers in Charge would WANT as this would give the Government public support to declare MARTIAL LAW. The Public will end up ASKING for the Government's protection.. When this happens, a FULL DICTATORSHIP will be installed. One in which the information technology at their fingertips gives them incredible POWER.

They will know, if they don't already, your EXACT LOCATION at ALL TIMES. EXACTLY what you consume, etc..

Thankfully God is good and is granting us deserving Hell and Punishment free pardon through receiving JESUS Christ in forgiveness of sins to His rebellious creatures. It is a belief, but is it truth?

We will find out.
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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One of the biggest problems I see from my perspective is the unbelievable lack of education among the middle class when it comes to finances and economics. Most people blindly trust what they see on the news, or simply don't think about it at all. We won't have any resolution until we start actually educating people on how markets, finances and economies actually work.

The big question I keep asking is why aren't 2-3 finance courses mandatory curriculum in every high school in the country? Imposing that requirement alone would solve a lot of our problems.

Great post. I liked the way you handled chuckmann's MSNBC talking points about Wall Street "punishing" the Fed for QE bailouts.

Here's the answer to your question: The last thing the Democrat controlled school system wants to do is give people a proper education in economics. That's why you hear people like chuckmann all the time. The public schools and universities are teaching them THAT STUFF. What you hear on the liberal networks. The kind of class warfare guff you see in movies and on television. Class warfare. That's what they want to generate.
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Old 12-28-2013, 12:57 PM
 
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Those who own the money and the World's Resources will not stop ultimately until you agree with their Religious ideology. If you look it up, you will see that these people ultimately think they are evolving to become gods and it is there responsibility to make it happen.


Bingo. Great post.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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The Fed's balance sheet will grow forever, they are leveraged more than 50:1. Everything they do hurts the productive in the economy. We suffer as the few speculate. What are the best strategies to protect the wealth of the worker/saver/productive investor? Are there things we can to to try and collapse the Fed?
Where did you get that idea. The Fed has announced that it will take a more flexible approach to determine how long QE will be practiced.

My hunch is that it will be reduced gradually, starting sometime in the First Quarter of 2014.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Ha ha guess again.

Wall Street will punish the Fed and all the rest of us by driving the market down any time the Fed thinks about returning to free market principals. Why? Bevause Wall Street is the major beneficiary of QE policy. Free money to them.

The Fed likes to think that extra money in the hands of the Big Banks and Wall Street will lead to more lending to those who want to expand or start new businesses. ROFL. All Wall street wants is more free cash so management can line their own pockets while screwing their clients.
This action by the Banks is too predictable and would be priced in already by the time it happened (if not already). The only way for the Fed or the Banks to beat the market is to act randomly. The problem with this is that, while the market doesn't expect random behavior by groups with pricing power, this behavior probably wouldn't be in the Bank's self-interest in the long-run.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Most people in America would benefit greatly from a looser, inflationary money supply because they are deeply in debt. It will never happen though. Inflation remains exactly where the people with money want it, at or near 0. The tin foil nutterism on this thread is asinine, though not particularly shocking. Also, despite what a poster a few replies up said, people could not do whatever they wanted 150 years ago. In 1863, many people were enslaved. Many more had been conscripted into fighting in the Civil War.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:51 PM
 
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I think all that can be done now is sit by and watch the whole damned thing collapse. And prepare yourself for when that time comes.

Far too many people believe that no one has to work anymore. Everyone can lay around having a great standard of living --- and the 1% can pay for it all.
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