Why give government financial aid to the poor? I say NO screw them. (loan, debt)
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You sound like a MAJOR hypocrite here just like many conservatives are. The same ones who are spouting anti-gay nonsense will be found in the men's restroom giving blowjobs to young hustlers.
This is what YOU sound like right now.
Don't you think this is a bit of a reach? By that, I mean a huge reach.
The college here actually raised tuition rates on those students who work and pay their own way --- so they could give free college to the lazier students.
Absolutely nothing wrong with suggesting that people work for what they want.
Being a poor student does not mean you're a lazy student. Perhaps you're a student with lazy parents.
Isn't this how it has traditionally worked though? Tuition was high, and financial aid was provided to students who couldn't afford it? This goes back almost 10 centuries. The only difference is that the federal government was not involved.
I don't think you realize what it's like to be from a poor family in today's economy.
In 1962, minimum wage was $1.15 per hour and a year at Harvard cost $1,520.00 in tuition. Now, minimum wage is $7.25 per hour and a year of tuition and fees at Harvard is $42,292 (for 2013-2014).
This means in 1962 you had to work 1,322 hours for tuition, now it's 5,833 hours. Full-time job is 2,080 hours per year. What the "work your way through school" proponents need to understand is simply that just because it used to be doable doesn't mean it still is!
(I understand that one can go to a lower-cost school, but this suffices to illustrate the point that tuition bills have gone up much faster than wages...)
Harvard has been providing free tuition for low income students for years.
They have a $30+ BILLION with a "B" endowment. They have the largest endowment in the country. That's larger than the economy of many countries.
It's probably more apt to look at tuition for schools other than Harvard. In 1962 the University of Minnesota cost $240 a year for a MN resident. Thus, in 1962 a person would only need work on summer weekends at minimum wage to pay for the next year's tuition. In 2014 tuition is $12,060. A person would have to work 1663 hours at the current minimum wage.
I don't think you realize what it's like to be from a poor family in today's economy.
In 1962, minimum wage was $1.15 per hour and a year at Harvard cost $1,520.00 in tuition. Now, minimum wage is $7.25 per hour and a year of tuition and fees at Harvard is $42,292 (for 2013-2014).
This means in 1962 you had to work 1,322 hours for tuition, now it's 5,833 hours. Full-time job is 2,080 hours per year. What the "work your way through school" proponents need to understand is simply that just because it used to be doable doesn't mean it still is!
(I understand that one can go to a lower-cost school, but this suffices to illustrate the point that tuition bills have gone up much faster than wages...)
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Originally Posted by rzzz
It's probably more apt to look at tuition for schools other than Harvard. In 1962 the University of Minnesota cost $240 a year for a MN resident. Thus, in 1962 a person would only need work on summer weekends at minimum wage to pay for the next year's tuition. In 2014 tuition is $12,060. A person would have to work 1663 hours at the current minimum wage.
The problem with this comparisons is that you are looking at times when tuition rates were artificially affordable. Look at the average rates before this artificial period and you'll see that it's not too far off from now. Compare the minimum wage rates of 1100s to the 1890s to the college tuition rates during those periods to get a better idea. College isn't really less affordable than the historic norm.
Of course when you only compare it to a point when it was extremely affordable, it appears expensive.
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