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Old 07-05-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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I'm afraid he might be right about some sort of upheaval, but not really against the super rich. I'm seeing it online, anyway in a certain segment of US society. They're really angry. Wow and bitter. Maybe their cost of living is lower or they can't afford the house or stuff they want, but they seem to be taking it out on other people. Not the rich. IMO that's because it is really hard to do anything to very rich people.

With all of the technology and stuff out there it is hard to get even physically close rich people to try to overthrow them or whatever. Many of the bitter people can't afford to move even, so these people seem to be trying to hurt other people who are not rich. People who it is within their power to hurt. IMO the rich don't have a lot to worry about.

They can afford security, drones, body armor, and to move away from places where people might try to target them...I mean many of the 99% seem to be arming themselves with guns, and that seems scary. But bullets can only go so far. Good for him in admitting that he's not so special, but in just being able to write a coherent paragraph, he's light years ahead of much of the population.
The rich know how to make money in good and bad times. They just move (invest) in different asset classes while everyone else depends on one asset.. their physical self to go to work to produce class flow to pay for your bills and you go to work to produce a class flow to pay for your bills and on and on the treadmill you go.

I'd rather be in the first group so instead of hating them, I'll keep learning from them.

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Old 07-05-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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Obama threw out a number (for you to demonize) and because of the lack of financial education the people said and said wow, that's a lot, but forgetting that is the range that we everyday Americans can reach.

How about people who are doctors, they are right in the bullseye of the attack. THINK! Do you really think the uber rich, the 0.01%, are interested in becoming doctors? Hardly.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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We are already a service nation servicing ourselves and we outsource those jobs to other countries. There is nothing quite like calling a help desk for something only to be connected to someone in India, Mexico or the Philippines. Why aren't those simple jobs here in America? Taxes and forced employer mandates prohibit it.

My concern...what are we really servicing? Why don't we build our own stuff to service?
Most jobs are but pushing paper around or pressing keys on a keyboard.
Progressives are winning and 1984 is upon us.
Government will rewrite history as it fundamentally transforms the nation. What happened last century will be considered as barbaric as the dark ages while the present is collapsing upon us.
Actually it's the labor and other laws that WE the American people have enacted that constitutes the "reasoning" behind jobs disappearing to Mexico and the Philippines, this simple fact gives rise to the validity of government instead of seeing it as the enemy of the people. Government (the people) will probably prevail in the tug of war between those forces that mean to usurp the people's control over that government. At present we see the role of corporations being the dominant constituency being served by our "leaders"

I don't fear my government. But I certainly fear the unholy alliance of a government AND corporate cartel that renders our role in politics to that of a salivating pavlovian voter, and this HAS become the norm. This should be what every one of us fears, Obama, Bush1 and 2, Reagan, Clinton, Nixon, Carter, and all the way back to the days of early colonial America we see the merchant class coming out on top, while the gains made by American unions were washed away by foreign outsourcing and global trade agreements concocted by these men in the White House in concert with the capital class that has ruled in DC forever. We lived for a long time in this nation with union labor raising the level of US well being, and all while corporations made record profits. The fact that a company can utilize a workforce in those nations that we in our democracy stand in philosophical opposition to tells us a lot about who the real patriots are in America. These multinationals are NOT American, nor are they remotely concerned with our well being.

Nobody is stupid enough to think that a type of equality in which the profits are split evenly between labor and it's corporate employer will ever be the norm, and most people don't really have any designs on the wealth of the upper class to the extent that they and their wealth will perish, so what is this newfound whining about taxes and government really all about? Most of the well off people I know are travelling, living in beautiful homes, sending their children to the better universities, making money in the stock market, and just generally living a very good life. Why are they upset about paying their share of the collective cost of infrastructure, schools, and community life in general for the greater collective? I see it as the manifestation of that old paradigm that defined so much of the monarchical rule that set apart those on top from those who had little say-- beyond the business and of a pitchfork.
 
Old 07-05-2014, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Ak-Rowdy, OH
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There is nothing quite like calling a help desk for something only to be connected to someone in India, Mexico or the Philippines. Why aren't those simple jobs here in America? Taxes and forced employer mandates prohibit it.
1.) Extreme wage disparity between the US and India, Philippines, etc
2.) Ample supply of English speakers in those countries
3.) Ample supply of educated workers that need employment
4.) VOIP technology makes the cost of doing phone work anywhere in the globe almost negligible


So you have many well educated, English-speaking people willing to work for peanuts using technology that makes the distance irrelevant.

The taxes and employer mandates are the least of the issues.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 06:30 AM
 
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Nick Hanauer is one of these lucky dot com billionaires who was in the right place at the right time. I've read a couple of other articles by lucky, guilty entrepreneurs like him. Frankly he says nothing of import. If he's so unhappy about wealth disparity, why doesn't he give all his money to people who have less?

At least William Gates is doing it right. Instead of self-flagellation and wringing his hands at the wealth gap, he set up a foundation to give away his money to worthwhile causes such as fixing education and curing malaria.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Striving for Avalon
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Nick Hanauer is one of these lucky dot com billionaires who was in the right place at the right time. I've read a couple of other articles by lucky, guilty entrepreneurs like him. Frankly he says nothing of import. If he's so unhappy about wealth disparity, why doesn't he give all his money to people who have less?

At least William Gates is doing it right. Instead of self-flagellation and wringing his hands at the wealth gap, he set up a foundation to give away his money to worthwhile causes such as fixing education and curing malaria.
He was born into money, as his family owned (and Mr Hanauer now controls) a pillow manufacturing company. He parleyed his birthright into a world class fortune. Admirable, but it is another case of wealth & privilege breeding additional wealth and privilege.

As for the Gates Foundation, please note that such foundations and charitable enterprises are not necessarily pure and unadulterated altruism. They are vehicles to express power (via agenda setting and funding selected initiatives) in addition to fulfilling social needs.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Oceania
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Notice that the countries that don't embrace capitalism have a 2 class society. The uber rich and the uber poor. Progressives are definitely pushing us to that society.

The progressive end game is communism/tyranny. You will never hear such words from the idiot liberals who populate these threads because they are ignorant to what their side is all about. Sure they want to give away the country if it buys them piece of mind at the cost of their freedoms but they don't mind - they demand it.
If you merely pay atttention to their leaders it is obvious they want to put us all under the thumb of the party; what government will be referred to within 20 years in progressive hands. News sources will never touch this topic as it goes against the media which is but a mouth piece for the party. Our only source for real news is indie sources on the internet and are refered to as RWNJs for having such a POV. Any of us who share that POV are also called RWNJs.

Good luck America, you are going to need it.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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1. Raise minimum wage,
2. Force companies to pay for healthcare or tax and fine them.
3. Attack business treating them as the enemies,
4. Tax and regulate them to death.

= (equals)

5. Companies move over seas to avoid all of above
6. Less jobs here
7. Lower wages here
8. More people dependent on government
9. Government much bigger.

Isn't that exactly what the left wants?
For much on the left he so called values are not causes but careers.

If you make your political establishment about helping poor people, you need more poverty to sustain that agenda. The poor here are just fooled to think that the left wants to help them.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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For much on the left he so called values are not causes but careers.

If you make your political establishment about helping poor people, you need more poverty to sustain that agenda. The poor here are just fooled to think that the left wants to help them.
lol, that reminds me of Pelosi proudly defending the welfare party saying that welfare and unemployment helps stimulate the economy. Yes, the poor are very foolish not to understand the left need the poor to push their agenda through. The more poor people the better.
 
Old 07-06-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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He was born into money, as his family owned (and Mr Hanauer now controls) a pillow manufacturing company. He parleyed his birthright into a world class fortune. Admirable, but it is another case of wealth & privilege breeding additional wealth and privilege.

As for the Gates Foundation, please note that such foundations and charitable enterprises are not necessarily pure and unadulterated altruism. They are vehicles to express power (via agenda setting and funding selected initiatives) in addition to fulfilling social needs.
No disagreement with what you have said, but I would add that the government also is not pure and has an agenda.
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