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An excellent watch and something to consider next time you're flying. This In their greed to cut costs and make more money Boeing is putting the lives of people at risk. Agree or not, watch it and make your own judgement. I would be avoiding all flights on the 787 hereafter, since I have only 1 life to spare it's too much of a chance for me after this kind of revelation.
If the 787 is as dangerous as the video suggested, they should be falling out of the sky on a daily basis. Yet they have flown thousands of hours with few problems. That's not to say that there isn't some truth to the allegations, but the same allegations could be made for probably every other plane flying and every other manufactured product.
Yet they have flown thousands of hours with few problems.
Some problems take years to manifest themselves, thousands of hours is not very much... only time will tell. For now it's a brand new aircraft so until there is some history behind it I will not fly on it. There is really no reason workers with that kind of mindset should be working on a plane. If they are not even confident in what they are building then it's concerning. Even if these are few disgruntled workers why are they disgruntled? Is there some kind of systemic workforce problem in the plant? Whatever it is the risks are too great given the nature of the product with lives hanging in the balance.
I'm not saying this documentary is an exaggeration or not, we don't know it for sure. But when something like this comes out it makes sense to be a bit cautious and give the product time to prove itself.
Some problems take years to manifest themselves, thousands of hours is not very much... only time will tell. For now it's a brand new aircraft so until there is some history behind it I will not fly on it. There is really no reason workers with that kind of mindset should be working on a plane. If they are not even confident in what they are building then it's concerning. Even if these are few disgruntled workers why are they disgruntled? Is there some kind of systemic workforce problem in the plant? Whatever it is the risks are too great given the nature of the product with lives hanging in the balance.
I'm not saying this documentary is an exaggeration or not, we don't know it for sure. But when something like this comes out it makes sense to be a bit cautious and give the product time to prove itself.
You do realize this is a problem with every new aircraft model that is brought into production? Airbus has the same hiccups with their launches. Not to mention that the 787 is a pretty radical new design in the aircraft market.
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Corporations are just wrong wrong wrong for these people. It's greed that they innovate, create jobs, etc. wrong!
You know what's better ? Having kids out of wed lock. You te automatically more deserving than Boeing. God help this country. We are headed for some rough times.
The "Dreamliner" is the machine that marked the end of the old Boeing company, it is the first of it's kind with regard to the design, engineering, and production goals of the company's "Vision 2016". In that vision statement is the plan for the future of Boeing complete with it's various directives aimed at cutting cost while increasing it's revenue streams and raising the profits from doing so. Shedding old ways while adapting to a more "agile" production system was going against the grain. The old dogs predicted a premature death of these initiatives not to mention that the company itself could be ran aground from trying these "wild" ideas. Meanwhile the upper management was counting the dollars before they were earned. A lot of the workforce got thrown under the bus along with a bunch of old tried and proven suppliers, new managers were brought in, new software for design and build programs were arriving, entire parts of the enterprise were sold off while other outside companies were bought up and merged into the old.
The 787 doesn't look all that different from the old planes, BUT, it has it's own significance inside the company due to the fact that it was built from a much smaller and more complex business system. Boeing fabrication division, the backbone of the old company workhorse went from a supplier to a manager of all that is necessary to build the aircraft. It is in this supply chain management system that things went wrong, and the Boeing chief's have said as much around the time the Dreamliner went into cardiac arrest on the Everett assembly line. Years later, and after billions in cost overruns the Dream emerged, although a tad tarnished and not the best that Boeing has ever built.
Was the "vision" a result of greed? Was the Dreamliner about greed? No, but both were the product of a Japanese company telling Boeing how the company could/should look if Boeing were to hire them to consult on the "changes" they had in mind. Basically this plan was the Toyota Production System, or TPS. This "lean", "just in time", "pull system" way of doing things was looked upon as the Holy Grail that Boeing and other US company's thought would become the "key to the vault", unlocking tremendous profits for their shareholders, their "real" customers. TPS worked fine for automotive manufacturing and a lot of other businesses, but not so well for Boeing, at least not in the beginning.
Reinventing a company and it's products can't be easy, if it was we'd see a lot more advanced technology being utilized elsewhere on the planet. Boeing has a great record in the industry, not perfect, but that isn't the goal expressed by the Boeing uppers in Chi Town. Shareholder value, in a phrase that's what drove Boeing to it's present level of operation both in design and production. It's various supplier "partnerships" are the aggregate of what the Toyota boys left as their legacy, a much leaner meaner company more capable than ever of securing a place in the sun with regard to how they will be viewed by Wall street.
Every airplane ever built has been literally beat, twisted, trimmed, and cheated to some extent in it's time in the factory womb. That's a fact that no amount of arguing can change. The newer Catia developed aircraft are much much better fitting craft than their predecessors but the new system of many hands in the parts pie over rode that and gave Boeing it's share of woes. The 787 is the product that was built inside of a company shedding it's old skin, new divisions were created, and old ones were left to die building the "legacy craft" of the old days. Every new plane at Boeing now is produced in the manner of the 787, Boeing is now the "integrator" the master who owns nothing, but controls everything. Renton assembly will be gone shortly, Auburn Fab a mere shell of it's old self, Seattle gutted out, eventually leaving Everett as the Washington state survivor.
The 787 has seen it's production problems become the stuff of media scrutiny just for the fact that Boeing in it's new skin has created a lot of friction, here in the NW the birthplace of Boeing, the feeling of abandonment abounds. Both the community and the workforce have felt the sting of just what happens when "lean" comes to town, less workers are needed, less space is needed, and, the product sometimes suffers, but when it's all added up, it's still an engineering company, and in that space it will probably outlive it's critics, simply for the fact that aviation is all about innovation.
The technology that went into the 787 is....I cannot even say just WELL tested, it is tested over and over for long and rigorous periods.
Yes, there were a lot of problems with what, the initial manufacturing process. And of course any new line is going to have some flaws and problems that need working out.....big deal.
As someone that at one time of their lives, was involved in air transportation, and am a pilot myself, I look at what is going on, and see a plane that has less problems at the start in the fleets, than any other plane that came down the pike as they say.
There is no such thing as a plane that has no problems, and the problems they had were minor compared to many planes. They had to look long and hard to find the problems for this report. If there were actually big problems with the plane, they would have a lot more to share than they did in this report.
Big problem was, two batteries went bad one on each plane. They had fire equipment so such a thing is not going to cause a big fire, etc. There were back up batteries that took over, when they had problems with the ones that went bad.
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