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Old 03-22-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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And 100 million people, fully one-third of the entire U.S. population, are at or below "200% of the federal poverty line of $21,834 for a family of four", which is a needs-measure made lame by the fact that no family of four can actually comfortably live on such a low annual income.
Thanks for the post it was a good read.
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Old 03-23-2010, 04:32 AM
 
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Absloute power corrupts absolutely. A healthy distrust of those who wield power over us is the only rational self-defense mechanism against that corruptive dynamic.

A citizenry trusting its government is analogous to a herd of cattle trusting the cattlemen that feed them and keep them. They don't understand the significance of that big building with the sign that says "Slaughterhouse" any more than the sheeple understand the significance of those big buildings that have "Federal Reserve Bank" engraved on the side.
i pretty much agree with this. i think most americans did basically trust the government until the bailouts (or at least had a sleepy indifference to the government) and then we all woke up at once!

seeing the largest wealth transfer in history can do that to you.

clearly, the lack of respect that government officials now show to the citizens shows their indifference to the citizens.
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:29 AM
 
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floridasandy wrote:
i think most americans did basically trust the government until the bailouts (or at least had a sleepy indifference to the government)
Not me! I was distrustful long before the bailouts. Ever since I had to register for the draft on my 18th birthday in '67, I've had a huge distrust of the government. Any entity that would abuse my freedom so outrageously is not worthy of trust. Most of the people I know are also leery of the government, though a few of them would fall into the gategory of sleepy indifference to the government. My post #209 was written purely as food for thought. One of my favorite bumper stickers, that was very popular in Virginia Beach stated, I love my Country...It's the government I don't trust.
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:14 AM
 
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i always thought that if you couldn't make a good enough case for a war to get enough volunteers willing to fight it, maybe you shouldn't be in that war in the first place.

i always wondered how it was considered constitutional that men only be drafted and that women were not considered draft eligible. (although i did see that obama said if men were to be drafted so should women, so that day might be coming).
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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i always thought that if you couldn't make a good enough case for a war to get enough volunteers willing to fight it, maybe you shouldn't be in that war in the first place.
Thats a good rule of thumb. I think the only wars the US would have been in would be the Revolutionary, Civil, War of 1812, possibly the Mexican American War, and WW2.
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Old 03-25-2010, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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i always wondered how it was considered constitutional that men only be drafted and that women were not considered draft eligible. (although i did see that obama said if men were to be drafted so should women, so that day might be coming).
I always wondered why feminist never argued for this right......
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:32 PM
 
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Well to fix what you are proposing, we can all live like the Indians did (which really wouldn't be that bad of a life in actuality). The males are hunters and bring home the food (they also protect the village from invasion) and the females gather water, watch after camp, etc. In this society there is no money, every person has a their FAIR share of work but they don't over work. Also there are no true houses, no central heating/air, nobody to build cars because who wants to do that for free? Nobody to provide energy because who is going to work on/build power plants for free? etc. To fix what you are saying we must live a very very simplistic, caveman lifestyle. Plus there isn't slavery. Slavery is forcing people to do something they don't want to do and making them do it for hrs on end. You don't have to work, and for those that know what they're doing with their money...within a couple decades you can be financially independent living a very simple happy life (with all the luxuries that our society has to offer...ie internet, cars, planes, central heating, etc). The problem is people get stuck in wanting everything NOW, and they constantly want the new and best thing. The best thing a person can do is create a budget, buy the cheapest cell phone (because it is JUST a phone) buy the cheapest reliable car (and pay it off) and rent instead of own (because renting is cheaper than a mortgage, thus you can invest more money). Once you are in a position to provide a hefty down payment on a house, then you can own/get a mortgage. I never understood the concept of putting $40,000 down on a $250,000+ house. You just set yourself up for failure doing that. I'm trying to build wealth not lose it by paying interest to banks. Also the worst thing that happens when you rent is you can't pay the bills and you have to move out. If you can't pay your mortgage you lose your house (and the down payment and all the money you have put toward the principle). Buying a house that you can't reasonably pay off within a handful of years is where most people go wrong to begin with.
I really dont think you know enough about the real world... you seem to think it is all so easy what i underlines is a prime example most of the time it just does not work out that way have you even had a job yet, if youv only been a student you have no idea what its like to earn money and be independant.
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:58 AM
 
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ron paul did a good short speech on who is actually becoming poor in america:
Ron Paul Explains to Keynesian Economics Professor Why Inflation is Bad | Ron Paul .com
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Old 03-26-2010, 06:59 AM
 
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I always wondered why feminist never argued for this right......
you know the answer-they don't want to have to serve in the military. special interest groups always pick and choose what they believe in.
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Old 03-26-2010, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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58robo wrote in response to hindsight2020:
you seem to believe that a small dose of socialism to 'keep the capitalists honest' is what we need. the way i see it is that govt interference is like a cancer. it starts small in some area and before long it spreads everywhere ( emphasis added by cw )
It doesn't have to be that way. Times change, people change, even governmsnts can change. A deep distrust of government has been the American way since the founding of our country. What might happen if we let go of our distrust? Perhaps, a trusting citizenry might result in a trustworthy governmnet. It is a two way street. Food for thought!
This is true. If we can't distrust our government who can we distrust.
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