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Old 04-10-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I think people would actually go for raised taxes if they could trust the govt to break down the deficit with it... but unfortunately NO ONE trusts the politicians to do any such thing.
And if you read the OP's link it's all about taking our country's commerce/business back for ourselves by ourselves via coops and CSA's and other small business ventures. If the corporations don't want us, then we should not want them. Sure, it's hard but it can be done.
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Old 04-10-2010, 08:56 PM
 
Location: southern california
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in a country of rugged individuals it unlikely you will see much banding together.
have you seen the divorce stats?
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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in a country of rugged individuals it unlikely you will see much banding together.
have you seen the divorce stats?
You've hit on a key point here. The dismantling of the family unit is a core component of many of the societal problems we are facing. The lack of a cohesive family structure is linked to problems with welfare, education, health care, work ethic and many other structural components of a society.

IMHO things will improve but only after they get worse first. There will be a movement from a self-centered value system to one where the family is more highly valued.

People will find that the government is not their mommy (or as many children being brought up in poverty realize, it's not their daddy). Americans will quickly lose patience with the European-style solutions being implemented and angrily demand a change back to a more American structure akin to the one "The Greatest Generation" left for well-meaning Baby Boomers to mess up.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:55 AM
 
Location: southern california
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You've hit on a key point here. The dismantling of the family unit is a core component of many of the societal problems we are facing. The lack of a cohesive family structure is linked to problems with welfare, education, health care, work ethic and many other structural components of a society.

IMHO things will improve but only after they get worse first. There will be a movement from a self-centered value system to one where the family is more highly valued.

People will find that the government is not their mommy (or as many children being brought up in poverty realize, it's not their daddy). Americans will quickly lose patience with the European-style solutions being implemented and angrily demand a change back to a more American structure akin to the one "The Greatest Generation" left for well-meaning Baby Boomers to mess up.
the branch and leaves draw nourishment from the trunk.
it is not by rejecting our european heritage we will heal outselves-- it is by embracing it. instead of seeing france as alien fools-- we should see the statue in NYC harbor is from them and they have loved and helped us.
the bad stuff that happens there, is the same as ours, alien invasion trade invasions (dumping) and the good life dwindling fast. the french students demonstrate in the streets for their future jobs. we do nothing.
to know yourself you must never forget where you came from.

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Old 04-11-2010, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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You've hit on a key point here. The dismantling of the family unit is a core component of many of the societal problems we are facing. The lack of a cohesive family structure is linked to problems with welfare, education, health care, work ethic and many other structural components of a society.

IMHO things will improve but only after they get worse first. There will be a movement from a self-centered value system to one where the family is more highly valued.

People will find that the government is not their mommy (or as many children being brought up in poverty realize, it's not their daddy). Americans will quickly lose patience with the European-style solutions being implemented and angrily demand a change back to a more American structure akin to the one "The Greatest Generation" left for well-meaning Baby Boomers to mess up.
That's exactly what I've been saying. The decline of the family structure is impoverishing us in many ways, and it's as much a part of the instant gratification mentality as the 'buy now, pay later' approach we have to material things. It's this mentality that is bringing us low.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:28 AM
 
Location: southern california
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You've hit on a key point here. The dismantling of the family unit is a core component of many of the societal problems we are facing. The lack of a cohesive family structure is linked to problems with welfare, education, health care, work ethic and many other structural components of a society.

IMHO things will improve but only after they get worse first. There will be a movement from a self-centered value system to one where the family is more highly valued.

People will find that the government is not their mommy (or as many children being brought up in poverty realize, it's not their daddy). Americans will quickly lose patience with the European-style solutions being implemented and angrily demand a change back to a more American structure akin to the one "The Greatest Generation" left for well-meaning Baby Boomers to mess up.
the greatest generation-- is a book eulogizing americans who were 100% immigrants from europe.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes FL and NH.
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I'm not critical of one's European heritage, in fact I'm proud of my own Irish, German,and English heritage. I'm also proud of our country's long supportive relationship with our European allies and our ability to work through our differences.

However, our breaking from English rule and establishing the American way of life is why many of our ansestors came here. I embrace our form of government as stated in the Declaration of Independence and established in the Constitution.

It is no slight to our European brothers and sisters. There are plenty of people who prefer their way. That is great. If one prefers a different governmental and societal structure global economics afford one the opportunity to live elsewhere.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Castle Hills
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That's exactly what I've been saying. The decline of the family structure is impoverishing us in many ways, and it's as much a part of the instant gratification mentality as the 'buy now, pay later' approach we have to material things. It's this mentality that is bringing us low.

It's not just a mentality it's a loss of morals and values as well. Don't expect that to change anytime soon either. The legalization of marijuana is coming, what will be next.. cocaine being legal? Allowing polygamists to marry? Our country will continue to unravel as our moral fabric continues to erode. I've only been around since the late 70's and I've seen peoples morals, manners, ethics, go right out of the window.

I hate to put a religious spin on this but the parallels are hard to ignore.

Romans 1:26-32 (Rome was certainly the U.S. of their time and look what happened to them) It looks like history is repeating itself to me.

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them"
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Old 04-11-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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The solution is not found in ANY PARTY. The only thing that will change the way our government does business (regardless of which party is currently in power) to TERM LIMITS.

The corrupt, career politician is the problem. Eliminate them with term limits, and our system might have a chance of work, but it never will until term limits are imposed.

Term limits should be implemented at every level of government, all the way down to cities and counties.
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Old 04-11-2010, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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The solution is not found in ANY PARTY. The only thing that will change the way our government does business (regardless of which party is currently in power) to TERM LIMITS.

The corrupt, career politician is the problem. Eliminate them with term limits, and our system might have a chance of work, but it never will until term limits are imposed.

Term limits should be implemented at every level of government, all the way down to cities and counties.
You're onto something. Part of the problem is that we have professional politicians who are a whole separate class. We need more citizen politicians.
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