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Old 10-22-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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Yo in Hogwarts the students were taught defense against the dark arts.

Why don't kids in school learn how to defend themselves?

Students are often a target of kidnappers and crap.
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Old 10-22-2015, 04:34 PM
 
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Yo in Hogwarts the students were taught defense against the dark arts.

Why don't kids in school learn how to defend themselves?

Students are often a target of kidnappers and crap.
LOL. Students are not *often* the target of kidnappers. There are bullies in schools though. What would you want schools to stop teaching in order to teach self-defense?

Why are the schools supposed to teach everything?
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Old 10-22-2015, 05:04 PM
 
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LOL. Students are not *often* the target of kidnappers. There are bullies in schools though. What would you want schools to stop teaching in order to teach self-defense?

Why are the schools supposed to teach everything?
"why does a school teach things"

OK
Cuz parents don't teach their kids anything!
And schools get public funding. Might as well make their education some value to their life, instead of just prepping them to be "academics" to turn into teachers.

And yea kidnappers often target students. Look at Mexico, look at that boko haram kidnapping.
They could ditch PE and teach self defense.
Practical PE.

Easy.

Problem with this, though, would be teaching kids to fight would empower bullies in some situations.

But, Americans would be stronger as a country because more people would know how to defend themselves and rely less on cops, military.

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Old 10-22-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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"why does a school teach things"

OK
Cuz parents don't teach their kids anything!
And schools get public funding. Might as well make their education some value to their life, instead of just prepping them to be "academics" to turn into teachers.

And yea kidnappers often target students. Look at Mexico, look at that boko haram kidnapping.
They could ditch PE and teach self defense.
Practical PE.

Easy.

Problem with this, though, would be teaching kids to fight would empower bullies in some situations.

But, Americans would be stronger as a country because more people would know how to defend themselves and rely less on cops, military.
Schools cannot be parents. Academics don't turn kids into teachers. Academics help kids get good jobs.

Schools are intended to teach reading, writing, mathematics, science, history, etc.

The US is not Mexico or Syria or the Middle East or Nigeria. Kids are generally not targeted for kidnapping here in the US.

Self-defense *could* be part of PE, perhaps, but why should US schools try to be everything to everyone. The schools can't do it.

There are plenty of instructors out there who can teach self-defense. It depends on what kind of self-defense you want.
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Old 10-22-2015, 05:55 PM
 
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Schools cannot be parents. Academics don't turn kids into teachers. Academics help kids get good jobs.

Schools are intended to teach reading, writing, mathematics, science, history, etc.

The US is not Mexico or Syria or the Middle East or Nigeria. Kids are generally not targeted for kidnapping here in the US.

Self-defense *could* be part of PE, perhaps, but why should US schools try to be everything to everyone. The schools can't do it.

There are plenty of instructors out there who can teach self-defense. It depends on what kind of self-defense you want.
Well in theory yea everyone would have superstar parents who work and also have the time to teach their kids things.

In reality, teachers are parents throughout the day.

What's the point of even having the educational system if it doesn't teach valuable things?

Most jobs don't even require college degrees.

And there are very rough parts of the United States.

A practical education would be more interesting to kids everywhere.

"Good" jobs is so subjective. One probably has a better chance of making money as a plumber than an engineer. So there's that.
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Old 10-23-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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I get so tired of schools getting blamed for everything and parents getting a free pass. 99% of the issues I have with students are caused by crappy parents. There are always a few students from decent homes who lash out, but in most other cases, I can tell which of my students come from broken homes based on their classroom behavior and academic performance.
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Old 10-25-2015, 06:54 AM
 
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Default Should K-12 schools teach self defense?

Nope.

Parents should. Public schools don't need to be tasked with everything parents should do.
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Old 10-26-2015, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Yo in Hogwarts the students were taught defense against the dark arts.

Why don't kids in school learn how to defend themselves?

Students are often a target of kidnappers and crap.
An excellent suggestion!
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Old 10-27-2015, 12:49 PM
 
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Why don't kids in school learn how to defend themselves?
Check out how that is working out in Japan. If Japan cannot even find qualified black belt instructors how would it work in the USA?

Japanese elementary schools run Judo programs, to encourage fitness and confidence amongst its youth population, however many of these programs are run by instructors with minimal training and minimal oversight. The results have been catastrophic.

Over the past 30 years, 118 have died, and nearly 300 have ended up disabled or comatose.


Judo in Japan is dangerously outdated - Bloody Elbow

"I worry about this compulsory martial arts program in schools because many teachers are worried they don't have the skills to teach children properly" Noriko Takase says. "I don't want to think about it, but there's a high probability some kids will be badly injured or killed" she says.

AM - Japanese parents fear injury and death from school judo program 14/04/2012
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Old 10-28-2015, 03:49 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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I've always felt that boxing and the martial arts can be a very good phys ed option for many kids in US schools -- though I don't think instruction should be mandatory. Offered on an organized and age-appropriate basis with qualified coaches and trainers , karate, judo, boxing, muy-thai, capoeira, and the rest can be quite beneficial for many kids, in building self-confidence, agility, balance, focus, and strength.

Obviously you'd need parental consent for any of this and like all sports, a physical exam. And these things would all be taught as phys ed or amateur sport obviously -- not as a way to beat the hell out of kids you didn't like. But there's more than one story of troubled kids stabilizing and even blossoming after studying boxing or martial arts, while the non-troubled kids have benefited from all the many positive physical and psychological aspects of these sports.

Interesting seeing these figures about judo death and injuries in Japan over the years. I wonder how they compare, proportionately, with deaths from schools sports in the US, especially football, lacrosse, and gymnastics, where serious injuries often make the news. It seems like training expertise is the big problem in Japan. But the idea of judo for kids isn't controversial in and of itself. And for the most part that's true here. Just about any city of any size will have a sprinkling of of boxing/martial arts gyms. The difference is we usually leave training for kids in these sports to the private sector and not usually to schools.

But I can imagine the brouhaha that would erupt in some upscale suburban high school if the principal said he wanted to institute club boxing: Many kids would love the idea, most parents would hate it, and the principal would soon be looking for a new job.

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