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The parts of NYS that I'm familiar with have a separate tax devoted entirely to schools.
The parts of Virginia that I'm familiar with do not have a separate school tax.
I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you.
That's great, so you're affirming what I've said from the beginning yet you came up with this:
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This post is another example of how you think you know how things work, but don't.
When I said this:
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And I believe it's 1 administration that oversees everything rather than over 130 for us (nearly 1 for every town). You guys are able to make it work without making the public poor as a direct result of your demands. Therein lies the problem here. Which leads me to respond to the following.
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None of this contradicts what I've said. Your school system worked while taking in taxes close to our general taxes alone.
A third of all high school graduates take an AP exam. When you add in those who take the classes but the exam, dual enrollment, IB, etc you have a significant proportion, possible even a majority, who are doing college level work in high school. That is why you need subject level experts in secondary classes.
And how is the process painful? The exams are easy, you mail in your paperwork, get fingerprinted, and then you have what you need to get an alternate route certification.
My point is that 90% of math teachers will not need calculus to be able to teach effectively. Let's say I am a algebra or geometry teacher, what good does calc 2 or 3 do for me?
In regards to the level of work.... There are plenty of studies that show we are in the midst of grade inflation.
Subject matter experts aren't needed but rather teachers who can engage and communicate effectively the students.
My point is that 90% of math teachers will not need calculus to be able to teach effectively. Let's say I am a algebra or geometry teacher, what good does calc 2 or 3 do for me?
In regards to the level of work.... There are plenty of studies that show we are in the midst of grade inflation.
Subject matter experts aren't needed but rather teachers who can engage and communicate effectively the students.
Well....a number of times I was asked ...well, not asked, but assigned...to teach a course outside of my certification. So imagining that an algebra or geometry teacher might need to also teach calculus is well within the realm of possibility.
Well....a number of times I was asked ...well, not asked, but assigned...to teach a course outside of my certification. So imagining that an algebra or geometry teacher might need to also teach calculus is well within the realm of possibility.
That and the fact it is very helpful to know where kids go and what they need when they leave your class. I have never taught calculus but having had it improves my teaching geometry. I see the connections.
IMO if someone cannot handle calculus they shouldn't be teaching high school math.
My point is that 90% of math teachers will not need calculus to be able to teach effectively. Let's say I am a algebra or geometry teacher, what good does calc 2 or 3 do for me?
In regards to the level of work.... There are plenty of studies that show we are in the midst of grade inflation.
Subject matter experts aren't needed but rather teachers who can engage and communicate effectively the students.
It is hard for me to believe that a math teacher would not have taken these calc courses.
From your perspective, what is a fair income for a teacher of 1 year experience, 5 years and 11 years and over?
What a free market sets.
A free market cannot be wrong. If teachers are "underpaid", they'll quit and go do something else. If too many quit, and there aren't enough teachers, wages will rise to attract more. Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" does work, when allowed. When people decide they know better than the market, the result is ALWAYS imbalances that wind up hurting more and more people.
A free market cannot be wrong. If teachers are "underpaid", they'll quit and go do something else. If too many quit, and there aren't enough teachers, wages will rise to attract more. Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" does work, when allowed. When people decide they know better than the market, the result is ALWAYS imbalances that wind up hurting more and more people.
Free market doesn't work in teaching. There's nowhere to go. The amount districts get per child is set by the government. This isn't industry where you can raise the price of your product to make up a short fall. When districts have to cut they cut teachers and teacher salaries. The next district over isn't getting more money per student and no one pays more for better results. Industry rules don't apply in teaching. This is not a mobile profession, you cannot negotiate your salary and you can't charge more if you're better than your competition.
Unfortunately, you're going to get what you wished for. Teachers who can leave are leaving and fewer people are going into teaching. However, this will not fix the pay situation for teachers. All that will happen is they will lower the requirements to be a teacher until they fill the classrooms and our kids will suffer. When you don't pay teachers the best leave the profession and you're left with what's left. There's a reason those who can't do teach. Those who can do make a lot more money doing. If this economy turns around I'll be back in engineering the first chance I can get.
Free market doesn't work in teaching. There's nowhere to go. The amount districts get per child is set by the government. This isn't industry where you can raise the price of your product to make up a short fall. When districts have to cut they cut teachers and teacher salaries. The next district over isn't getting more money per student and no one pays more for better results. Industry rules don't apply in teaching. This is not a mobile profession, you cannot negotiate your salary and you can't charge more if you're better than your competition.
Unfortunately, you're going to get what you wished for. Teachers who can leave are leaving and fewer people are going into teaching. However, this will not fix the pay situation for teachers. All that will happen is they will lower the requirements to be a teacher until they fill the classrooms and our kids will suffer. When you don't pay teachers the best leave the profession and you're left with what's left. There's a reason those who can't do teach. Those who can do make a lot more money doing. If this economy turns around I'll be back in engineering the first chance I can get.
To be honest, free market doesn't work in most things unless all one thinks is important is profit. What jnojr doesn't get is that free market is great for "stuff". It isn't so great for humans.
from your perspective, what is a fair income for a teacher of 1 year experience, 5 years and 11 years and over? Why do you feel the way you do?
$25,000/$27,500/$30,000
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