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Old 03-10-2021, 09:54 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Since I got an A on every exam and assignment, and he gave me a C+, what other explanation was there for my grade, other than the fact that he downgraded me for not liking me?

I didn't mean that teachers intentionally wrote questions to favor certain students. What they would do is grade more leniently students that they liked, and more harshly students that they did not like. Besides the example I gave above, I had a teacher who would mark wrong questions that I obviously got right, and refuse to correct the grade. Anything subjective, such as an essay, they will grade more harshly students they don't like, and, since it's a judgment call, there isn't much that you can do about it. Also, they would be more harsh with students they didn't like when it came to marking things wrong that they claimed were illegible or mis-spelled. Or, for a student they liked, they'd claim that 89 was close enough to an A, but give a B to a student that they didn't like. Standardized tests, at least, everybody plays under the same rule.

Even when teachers do not have biases against certain students, different teachers still have different policies. If Teacher A gives zero credit for mis-spelled answers, Teacher B gives half credit, and teacher C gives full credit, the students with Teacher C will get the highest grades, and students with Teacher A get the lowest grades, even though there is no actual difference in the students' performance.
OK, that makes sense. I think with some teachers, there is that bias. And I wasn't saying he didn't like you. I was saying, he was a jerk for saying so, and for grading you way down, because of it. That's outrageous! But you showed him; you aced the AP exam.

Just curious; what did your parents say, about the C he gave you?
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Why is it that, especially on this forum, people seem so opposed to standardized tests, especially the SAT? Standardized tests are the only thing that judges everybody based on a common yardstick. Even within the same school, different teachers grade very differently. When I point that out, I’m just told that “life isn’t fair”. So, why aren’t kids who underperform on standardized tests told that “life isn’t fair”, just like students who get stuck with hard teachers are told? Or, if standardized tests are truly unfair, and if something needs to be done about it, why isn’t there also an attempt to make grading more uniform between teachers?
i just assume that they oppose standardized tests because they didnt perform well on them. they probably figure "i am smart and i didnt do well on them so something must be wrong with them." i assume most people believe that they are smart. maybe they have said at some point in their lives "i may not be book smart but i am street smart" or some other similarly ridiculous phrase.
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Why is it that, especially on this forum, people seem so opposed to standardized tests, especially the SAT? Standardized tests are the only thing that judges everybody based on a common yardstick. Even within the same school, different teachers grade very differently. When I point that out, I’m just told that “life isn’t fair”. So, why aren’t kids who underperform on standardized tests told that “life isn’t fair”, just like students who get stuck with hard teachers are told? Or, if standardized tests are truly unfair, and if something needs to be done about it, why isn’t there also an attempt to make grading more uniform between teachers?
Standardized tests only one thing. How well you can take a standardized test. They don't truly measure one's intelligence or their potential. No one has died or failed at their career because they couldn't think of an 18 letter word that defines something. Many of the words on the English SAT are NEVER used in life outside of that test. I know many people who did not do well on the SAT who did well in life and vice versa.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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OK, that makes sense. I think with some teachers, there is that bias. And I wasn't saying he didn't like you. I was saying, he was a jerk for saying so, and for grading you way down, because of it. That's outrageous! But you showed him; you aced the AP exam.

Just curious; what did your parents say, about the C he gave you?
They first accused me of making excuses and not studying enough. When I showed them that I got an A on every exam and every assignment, they said that I need to learn to get along with people that I don't like.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:10 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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They first accused me of making excuses and not studying enough. When I showed them that I got an A on every exam and every assignment, they said that I need to learn to get along with people that I don't like.
Teaching, like any profession, is full of BS at every level. You just have to make your way through the system and reach your success in spite of all that.

It looks like you did that anyway.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:11 AM
 
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Teaching, like any profession, is full of BS at every level. You just have to make your way through the system and reach your success in spite of all that.

It looks like you did that anyway.
I'm not a teacher.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:14 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I'm not a teacher.
I meant for a student. But yeah, for teachers too.

It's a jungle out there for everybody.
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:23 AM
 
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They first accused me of making excuses and not studying enough. When I showed them that I got an A on every exam and every assignment, they said that I need to learn to get along with people that I don't like.
That's what they should have told the teacher to do. So sorry to hear about all this, OP. Still, you scored in the end. At AP Chem, too--I'm impressed!

And thank heaven high school is over!
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:51 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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They first accused me of making excuses and not studying enough. When I showed them that I got an A on every exam and every assignment, they said that I need to learn to get along with people that I don't like.
So at the end of the day, after several days and almost 150 posts, your complaint isn't about standardized tests but teachers you didn't like.

Oh, your parents' advice is pretty good. And true.
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Old 03-10-2021, 12:30 PM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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So at the end of the day, after several days and almost 150 posts, your complaint isn't about standardized tests but teachers you didn't like.

Oh, your parents' advice is pretty good. And true.
Or that supposedly didn't like you how many years ago?
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