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Old 02-12-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Repeating the same lies after they have been already proven to be false is a sign of insanity. Obviously you have a serious problem with reality.
Do you know how write in votes are counted? And have always been counted??

Fact is write in's have ALWAYS been counted by hand. The machine counts the amount of write in's, and who the write in was for is counted by hand. It has ALWAYS been done that way.

It is also true that even without the challenged ballots, Murkowski still led by over 2,000 votes....

Enough of this conspiracy stuff.

Murkowski, who I did not want to win, won and she won fair and square.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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By definition you cannot count write in votes by machine.

As Smash repeatedly wrote, Murkowski won by over 2,000 votes even if every ballot with minor misspellings was taken out. The decisions of the state and federal courts explain in significantly more detail why Miller's challenges were without legal merit.

You also cite Bush v. Gore, but you decline to mention the part of the decision which states the reasoning in their ruling was "limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities."
Then Miller's ballots should not have been counted by machine. Only one standard can apply. If you are going to hand-count one candidate's ballots, then you must hand-count the other candidate's ballots.

As prior elections have demonstrated, there can be as much as a 2% discrepancy between the machine counted and hand-counted ballots.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, Gail Fenumiai imposed her own guidelines for counting ballots completely ignoring the law. This law was put into place in 1993 after the 1992 election and has withstood the test of time for 17 years without change, until Gail Fenumiai decided to arbitrarily change it to give Murkowski the advantage she needed. Did she have the authority to make this change? Absolutely not. Did she abide by the regulatory process when she made the change? Absolutely not. Did she make the change prior to the election so both candidates knew the rules beforehand? Absolutely not. Gail Fenumiai needs to be tried for election fraud and sent to prison, at the very least. Anything less, and Alaskans will know with certainty that all future Alaskan elections are a joke, controlled by only a corrupt few.

The reason this law has never been challenged or changed in the last 17 years is because it was never necessary. In every case when there has been a close vote requiring a recount, BOTH candidates ballots were counted by hand. The 2010 election was the only election where that was not the case.

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Old 02-13-2011, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Then Miller's ballots should not have been counted by machine. Only one standard can apply. If you are going to hand-count one candidate's ballots, then you must hand-count the other candidate's ballots.

As prior elections have demonstrated, there can be as much as a 2% discrepancy between the machine counted and hand-counted ballots.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, Gail Fenumiai imposed her own guidelines for counting ballots completely ignoring the law. This law was put into place in 1993 after the 1992 election and has withstood the test of time for 17 years without change, until Gail Fenumiai decided to arbitrarily change it to give Murkowski the advantage she needed. Did she have the authority to make this change? Absolutely not. Did she abide by the regulatory process when she made the change? Absolutely not. Did she make the change prior to the election so both candidates knew the rules beforehand? Absolutely not. Gail Fenumiai needs to be tried for election fraud and sent to prison, at the very least. Anything less, and Alaskans will know with certainty that all future Alaskan elections are a joke, controlled by only a corrupt few.

The reason this law has never been challenged or changed in the last 17 years is because it was never necessary. In every case when there has been a close vote requiring a recount, BOTH candidates ballots were counted by hand. The 2010 election was the only election where that was not the case.
The law wasn't change, it was murky to begin with. Even without the challenged ballots by Miller (some of which were spelled correctly btw) Murkowski was still ahead by over 2,000 votes. Way beyond any recount.

Write in ballots have ALWAYS been counted by hand. Machine ballots are not counted by hand unless the results are close. The result wasn't close, it was 2,000 + even with Miller's challenges.
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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Then Miller's ballots should not have been counted by machine. Only one standard can apply. If you are going to hand-count one candidate's ballots, then you must hand-count the other candidate's ballots.
Are you suggesting that any time there is a write in candidate, every ballot must be hand-counted? After all, by definition write in votes must be counted by hand. According to your logic, that means that since there will always be some candidates in every election who receive write in votes, in every election every ballot must be hand counted.

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As prior elections have demonstrated, there can be as much as a 2% discrepancy between the machine counted and hand-counted ballots.
Murkoski beat Miller by 4%.

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The reason this law has never been challenged or changed in the last 17 years is because it was never necessary. In every case when there has been a close vote requiring a recount, BOTH candidates ballots were counted by hand. The 2010 election was the only election where that was not the case.
I'm going to make an educated guess that in all of those cases you're referring to (but don't cite at all here) both of those candidates were on the ballot, and neither was a write in candidate.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Anchorage
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More lies. But that is okay, I have come to expect that from you. Miller was disciplined for talking a political survey on-line, nothing more.
Yes there is more-he took the survey on his computer and on several of his coworkers's computers without their knowledge or permission. And then lied about it.
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