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Ron Paul is a bigoted racist, no getting around that. It is the LAW of the land that if you open a business to serve the public you may not discriminate based on race.
For those of you who think racisim is dead - think again, it's still happening today for many of us. I'm a browned skinned woman who's living in the south and I still face discrimination often - it not so blatant but it's still there.
I am old enough to have lived during pre-civil rights era and without those laws remaining in tact we would return to that horrific time.
Everyone screams I want my freedom - well you can have it on your own land but if you want to operate a business you must comply with existing laws that were put in place for a reason.
The complainers that they want the gov't out of their lives completely seem to be selective about what they want - so you want no services such as police, fireman/woman etc.
Ron Paul is a bigoted racist, no getting around that.
I don't think he is. I think he is naively focusing on property rights at the expense of civil rights. I too believe that the government should be less in people's live for a few reasons but on this topic I think those that are caught up in personal rights or small government aren't seeing it correctly. It is true that discrimination is less likely to happen today compared to the past but it still does and I have no doubt that if some people were allowed to post a sign saying "no___allowed" they would.
I don't even think Ron Paul would even make this a issue if he were president with the huge problems America has but it seems some of his followers would.
Ron Paul is a bigoted racist, no getting around that. It is the LAW of the land that if you open a business to serve the public you may not discriminate based on race.
For those of you who think racisim is dead - think again, it's still happening today for many of us. I'm a browned skinned woman who's living in the south and I still face discrimination often - it not so blatant but it's still there.
I am old enough to have lived during pre-civil rights era and without those laws remaining in tact we would return to that horrific time.
Everyone screams I want my freedom - well you can have it on your own land but if you want to operate a business you must comply with existing laws that were put in place for a reason.
The complainers that they want the gov't out of their lives completely seem to be selective about what they want - so you want no services such as police, fireman/woman etc.
He is not racist.
He believes in peoples freedom to do what they please.
I am not in favor of repealing minimum wage laws. 1930 was the depths of the depression. I do not think it's a valid comparison.
Hi Katiana,
Most people aren't for repealing the minimum wage laws because it "feels wrong", but I've read many economists who argue that it does contribute to unemployment rates.
If we keep offshoring jobs to the Far East and importing legal labor, the minimum wage issue is going to take care of itself anyway because cutting the minimum in half won't even work.
Black and white employment were pretty much equal even before the Depression began. At the time, most Blacks lived in the South and worked as sharecroppers. No, it was not the ideal of situations, but the unemployment rate wasn't double that of whites as it has been since 1930 even in good times.
Just understand that most racists of the 30s through the 50s promoted minimum wage laws.
Exactly. I would go even further and say they are the ones who advocated for it the most. These were white working class union folks who didn't like the Blacks taking their Northern jobs during the Great Migration.
What's against non-aggression? I'm not sure what I said that would violate the non-aggression principle?
For what it's worth, I never said I was a libertarian. I'm not liberal, conservative, libertarian, socialist, or really anything. Too be honest I'm not sure what I'd label myself. I guess a realist.
Good morning,
If you're not a libertarian, then the post I made doesn't apply to your viewpoint. I was debating the Ron Paul libertarian property rights criticism of the public accommodations section of the Civil Rights Act.
Excluding an entire segment of the population of one race from patronizing businesses that everyone else can access IS aggression, and violates the main libertarian principle.
Thanks for the thoughtful response, Hilgi. So it looks like we agree that people are naturally corrupt, but you think it's more dangerous when corrupt government has too much control, while I think it's more dangerous when corrupt people have too much control. I understand where you're coming from.
I think when either side has too much control in a situation, it will turn into a "two wolves vs. sheep" situation. Perhaps the best solution is a balanced approach then. I'm certainly not "fascist" as one poster called me. But I'm not libertarian, simply because I've seen the terrible things that people do to each other when given the freedom to do so. I've also seen justice done by authority figures against bullies and perpetrators, so my experience teaches me to trust authority more than human nature.
Thanks, these are not easy topics, as I said, it took me years to come to the conclusions I now have and they have evolved from there.
I agree about either side having to much control, this is why I think the more you look into the ideas of individual rights, rule of law not majority rule, contracts, a good justice system and liberty you will see how the checks and balances occur naturally. Basically libertarianism is more about having government as a referee, not a player in the game on either side.
Justice is often done by authority figures, it is their job. We need to bring back the days of peace keepers and not law enforcement though, this keeps the system working for all.
Authority when used outside of the natural human "ecosystem" can easily turn bad, just look at the drug war. I used to be active with the groups Families to Amend California's Three Strikes (FACTS) and Families against Mandatory Minimums (FAMM), it is amazing the stories I would hear from families. We have a prison system dedicated to creating new prisoners, it is really disgusting.
Sadly, I am jaded, I can't trust an authority that is not rules based but based around the dictate of the majority.
This quote says it best.
"Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It's just ganging up against the weird kid, and I'm always the weird kid." Penn Jillette
If I saw a store with a "NO BLACKS" sign on the door I would just keep walking.
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Yep. I would also.
Why not join me and many others by protesting the place and driving them out of business?
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Ron Paul is a bigoted racist, no getting around that.
Why would a bigoted racist spend the past 30 years being almost the lone champion of ending the drug war and releasing ALL people from prison who have committed victimless crimes?
"A system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges. Today, I think inner-city folks and minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs. For instance, Blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. This has to change. We don’t have to have more courts and more prisons." Ron Paul 2007
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