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I agree, to some extent. I like the liberals' concern for the poor and needy, as well as their propensity towards nonviolence, non-war and mercy in justice. However, they also promote the sinful actions of homosexuality and abortion, and they also suppress public expressions of Christian faith such as prayer in schools and teaching intelligent design. Additionally, liberals tend to oppose Christian morality in a general sense, while conservatives -- at least publicly -- tend to support it. Liberals are far more likely to say that this is a pluralistic nation, rather than one rooted in Christian principles.
Personally, I'm not completely 'conservative' or 'liberal,' but I think liberalism is further from the Biblical ideal than conservatism, which is why I choose to vote for conservative candidates (although I wouldn't rule out voting for a Democrat). I admire Michele Bachmann's committed Christian faith and passion for the pro-life and pro-marriage causes, which are the primary reasons why I like her as a candidate. I disagree with her stances on foreign policy and healthcare, but no candidate is perfect.
I agree with you that some liberal positions are at odds with Christianity; however, I think conservative philosophy is anti-Christain at its core. I just don't think Jesus would endorse a program of selfish individualism. I think it's easier to be a liberal Christain who supports biblical teaching on abortion and homosexuality than it is to be a conservative Christain who supports selfishnesses and only pays the thinnest lip service to supporting moral principles.
I also think that America is a pluralistic nation. It's not anti-Christain to think so. It simply means one is educated. George Washington made a point of supporting Jewish communities as a signal that America was for more than just Christains. We also signed an early treaty with Libya that expressesly stated we are *not* a Christain nation.
Here is the wording from that 1797 treaty:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
This one is a head scratcher. True Christianity is much more compatible with modern day liberal politics than with conservative ones.
Not at all. Liberalism replaces God with self and/or government; it is humanistic and secular by it's very definition. liberalism is contradictory to Christianity.
However, they also promote the sinful actions of homosexuality and abortion, and they also suppress public expressions of Christian faith such as prayer in schools and teaching intelligent design.
1. In the Garden of Eden, God planted the Tree of Life with the apples there in front of Adam and Eve where they were able to freely touch, pick, etc. in plain sight, then told them not to take any apples. He didn't wall the tree off and hide it from them.
2. The "sinful actions of homosexuality and abortion" are arbitrarily plucked out of the Bible by social conservatives. Why don't they ban wearing clothes of different fibers, or eating shellfish, or support the stoning of adulterous women? They'd be taken more seriously if they didn't cherry pick from the Bible to support their ridiculous notions.
3. We are a secular country. The Constitution has a clear mandate for separation of church and state. Period.
Not at all. Liberalism replaces God with self and/or government; it is humanistic and secular by it's very definition. liberalism is contradictory to Christianity.
That's funny, because last time I checked I'm both a Christian and a Socialist.
Who are you to tell me my religion is right or wrong? That goes directly against what the Bible says!
That's funny, because last time I checked I'm both a Christian and a Socialist.
Who are you to tell me my religion is right or wrong? That goes directly against what the Bible says!
You can't be. One sets aside "self" for God whilst the other promotes self for the good of self. The two are incompatible with one another. Socialism is in and of itself a form of religion predicated upon secular humanism.
1. In the Garden of Eden, God planted the Tree of Life with the apples there in front of Adam and Eve where they were able to freely touch, pick, etc. in plain sight, then told them not to take any apples. He didn't wall the tree off and hide it from them.
2. The "sinful actions of homosexuality and abortion" are arbitrarily plucked out of the Bible by social conservatives. Why don't they ban wearing clothes of different fibers, or eating shellfish, or support the stoning of adulterous women? They'd be taken more seriously if they didn't cherry pick from the Bible to support their ridiculous notions.
3. We are a secular country. The Constitution has a clear mandate for separation of church and state. Period.
Can you tell me where exactly in the Constitution one can find the words "separation of church and state?" Your Marxist Sociology 101 professors at Penn State failed you big time. Question liberal authority, you'll be the better for it.
Also lol @ "Marxist Professors at Penn State". That is just pure hatred of education with no real intelligence to back it up. If you had any inkling at how Penn State... or other universities... actually worked, you wouldn't be saying such things.
I agree. We shouldn't throw around terms like "Marxist." Liberals aren't Marxists or Communists. Let's tone down the inflammatory rhetoric and debate the issues on their merits.
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This... however, the conservative machine has managed to twist Christianity so badly it has brainwashed gullible people into believing that individualism is something Jesus triumphed.
I disagree. I think the Bible speaks for itself on the subjects of morality, and liberals oppose many of the moral principles found in God's Word.
Jesus triumphs trust in Him, not individualism, collectivism or pluralism. God commands us to care for our neighbor, and He also tells us to make personal, individual decisions to follow Him. As with many issues, Christ's commands come down on both sides of the aisle.
That's funny, because last time I checked I'm both a Christian and a Socialist.
Who are you to tell me my religion is right or wrong? That goes directly against what the Bible says!
If I put a fish bowl on my head and stare up at the stars and wait at my door everyday for NASA to show up does that make me an astronaut? There are certain criteria for one to be a Christian; it's not a spiritual buffet where one can pick and choose what they like.
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