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No, the independents elected the Tea Party in the last election cycle, they can hardly be described as moderates.
And many of those same ones elected Obama in '08. In '08, independents were sick of the Bush administration and other issues and thought Obama would do a better job. Then in 2010, they weren't happy with Obama, so they voted in the Republicans (led by the tea party) Independents may lean left or right, but they still evaluate issues critically instead of blind allegiance to party, so I'd say based on that that they're more moderate than the partisans in either party.
In the 21st century, moderates will win the vast majority of elections. Reagan ran a far less conservative campaign and governed in a less conservative way than clouded memories here portray him to have done. 5 revenue enhancement acts, Reagan speak to conceal tax hikes. A deal with PATCO giving them raises was met with his approval; the union went for more, and violated terms which led to their demise.
You must be very young. Reagan was viewed, at the time, to the right of Atilla the Hun.
And many of those same ones elected Obama in '08. In '08, independents were sick of the Bush administration and other issues and thought Obama would do a better job. Then in 2010, they weren't happy with Obama, so they voted in the Republicans (led by the tea party) Independents may lean left or right, but they still evaluate issues critically instead of blind allegiance to party.
Maybe, but they clearly weren't looking for moderates. Both Obama and the Tea Party were (are) at the extremes of the parties.
I don't believe them, that's my point. Dems say t hey love moderates until it comes time to vote for them, then there is some excuse.
I think it really depends on who the opponent is. This election, a far right candidate will get his butt kicked, but a moderate will probably beat Obama. Other elections with a successful Democratic candidate, say Clinton, a candidate more right wing would have a better chance.
Remember, Obama won the popular vote by a very small percentage.
True, Smash255. The big mistake folks make comparing RR and JM is this. RR was running vs a presidnet viewed (right or wrong) as a failure, high unemployment, inflation,low morale. JM ran following a two termer leaving as a massive failure, with the nation having lost over 1 million jobs in the 2 months right before the election. JM deserved kudos for not losing by double digits.
Years ago, I heard a great story about 62 Mets and Manager Stengel. 3rd baseman made 3 errors one day; next day he starts a ne wone, a defensive whiz, who makes his first 2 in a long time. Casey says "The first guy screwed it up so bad, no one can play it". In Nov, 2008 the first one was Gdeorge Bush. GB had ruined the party brand, every bit as much as Carter did the Dems in the late 70s.
And you want to crucify JM for not being able to win..absurd.
By early October, I knew the presidency had been decided. The contest was Hillary vs Obama. November was a formality, thanks to the mess Bush had left.
I think it really depends on who the opponent is. This election, a far right candidate will get his butt kicked, but a moderate will probably beat Obama. Other elections with a successful Democratic candidate, say Clinton, a candidate more right wing would have a better chance.
Remember, Obama won the popular vote by a very small percentage.
Obama won the popular vote by 7.26%, that isn't exactly a "very small percentage"....
shorebaby, Reagan played a moderate game campaigning. "Shining City on the Hill" spoken by Obama would come across as 60s-ish Touchy Feely Liberalism.
The whole campaign was feel good stuff. Not the coarse, hateful "Let em die" rants we have heard at the 2012 debates.
Reagan would have taken the Tea Party to the woodshed, and he had the popularity to do it.
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