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So a person's vote doesn't matter due to the demographics or the fact that it wouldn't have changed the delegate votes. I guess the thing that gets me is the non chalant attitude thats floating out there. The fact that votes could be lost should be the concern to BOTH parties.
I'm not apologizing for the system, it obviously has flaws.
But the biggest flaw is not that a few votes get lost. Maybe the missing precincts account for a couple hundred votes. Big whoop. I guarantee that every state will have a couple of hundred votes that don't get counted for one reason or another; I don't get why Iowa is somehow worse than the rest of these.
The big flaw is that thousands of people working second shift, or who have small children, can't get out to vote at all because you have to be at the caucus location by 7 pm and stay at least an hour to cast your vote. If we had a primary there would be a 14 hour window for people to vote, and depending on traffic at a given time it could take as little as 5 minutes. There would be no excuse to not vote if you had any desire to do so.
And for those who don't think Iowa should go first: NEITHER DO I!! You are all welcome to the 10-20 robocalls a day for a month on every phone line in your household regardless of whether or not the line is on the Do Not Call registry. You're welcome to the media circus. You're welcome to the condescending attitudes prevalent in articles written by "intellectuals" like Stephen Bloom that the rest of the country accepts as accurate. You can have it all, just send me the address and I'll gladly pay the shipping!!
Now that I have that out of my system.... my only point is that in this particular election those particular votes won't amount to a whole lot.
It is amazing to me that some states will spend millions of dollars setting up stringent voter ID laws (when there has been only 3 cases of voter fraud in the state's history) when the much bigger problem is actually incompetence on the part of those administering the election. Heck, in my state, after one person was declared the winner in an election, the clerk of one county "found" 14,000 votes that she "forgot" to count and that made the other person the "winner." oops.
If we really are concerned (and we should be) about having our votes count in an honest, open election, then we would be better served by having those who administer the elections receive better training and then be closely observed.
Former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum received 34 votes more than former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in this month's Iowa caucuses, the Des Moines Register reported Thursday.
The totals reported just after the Jan. 3 ballots had given Romney a narrow, eight-vote win over Santorum. It gave an early boost to Romney's bid for the Republican presidential nomination. Santorum Got 34 Votes More Than Romney In Iowa Caucuses, Report Says | Fox News
It is interesting that things played out this way, but ultimately, Romney was planning on losing Iowa anyways. It helped him, but it wasn't make or break.
For all intents and purposes, Romney, Santorum and Ron Paul had a three-way tie for 1st place in Iowa. Very curious that it took this long to sort out, but our voting technology needs to be updated so it doesn't take so long to count votes. We have the technology to have an accurate count the day the vote happens (minus absentee votes.)
It is still just as much a tie as it was when they thought Romney won. I find the whole thing very odd and actually thought that a recount wasn't allowed in this caucus by their own rules. If Iowa is this inept they might not need to be the 'first in the nation' blah blah blah. They seem to have a very antiquated system for doing things.
It is still just as much a tie as it was when they thought Romney won. I find the whole thing very odd and actually thought that a recount wasn't allowed in this caucus by their own rules. If Iowa is this inept they might not need to be the 'first in the nation' blah blah blah. They seem to have a very antiquated system for doing things.
Romney wasn't proclaiming a "tie" when he was up by 8. He went to NH trumpeting his victory. The spin from this is bad for Romney. He could lose this nomination yet, though I doubt the powerful will let that happen.
It is still just as much a tie as it was when they thought Romney won. I find the whole thing very odd and actually thought that a recount wasn't allowed in this caucus by their own rules. If Iowa is this inept they might not need to be the 'first in the nation' blah blah blah. They seem to have a very antiquated system for doing things.
It wasn't a recount, it was a canvas and certification of the results. It catches clerical errors made along the way.
Romney wasn't proclaiming a "tie" when he was up by 8. He went to NH trumpeting his victory. The spin from this is bad for Romney. He could lose this nomination yet, though I doubt the powerful will let that happen.
Romney never made much out of this at all. Actually, he or Santorum didn't. They ended up splitting everything anyway so it's not really anything but bragging rights. We never have thought this was a done a deal as far as the nomination. We actually believe it will go for a long time.
The spin from this is bad for Iowa, who screwed it up.
This is significant. The fact that Romney did NOT win the first two states gives the impression that he is not as strong as once believed.
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