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Old 02-16-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Republican Senator: Obama Administration Is 'a Lawless Administration' | CNSNews.com

First of all, nobody is taking away women’s health care benefits,” he said. “Any woman in America can get free contraceptives if they can’t afford to pay for them, through county health services, through a variety of places. This is about an assault on freedom.
That's just false. There is no universal free contraceptives on demand for all. Of the ones where they are available (Planned Parenthood), it's income based. Women who have jobs do would need to pay out-of-pocket.

The assault on freedom is coming from the right-wing. They want to deny or make contraceptives difficult to obtain. Period. It's about imposing your religion on others.

If you have contraceptive care in your insurance plan but are against using contraceptives, nobody is forcing you to use them. However, if you remove that care from the plan, you are denying them to other faiths. Your assault on freedom is clear.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Insurance NEVER provides anything for free they just up the cost and pass it on to the buyers.
As previously proven:
If you look at the overall cost of providing health care to a woman, the cost goes up, not down, if you take contraceptives out. This is not going to cost the insurance companies money, because on the overall health care cost basis it won't cost more.

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Contraceptive isn't even a huge medical problem like a life saving surgery after an accident or for cancer. Contraceptives are relatively cheap---if you need to buy them---if you can't afford them they are free at some other clinic in any town.
That's a cop-out answer. In the previous paragraph you claimed insurance companies won't provide them for free. Now, you contradict yourself and say they are so cheap they're given out for free. Make up your mind.

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Insurance should be used for big health issues. What next---cover all our vitamins? After all, they are used to keep healthy so why not?
Now your are arguing against comprehensive health care in general. I thought you were arguing for freedom? How is taking away my comprehensive plan give me freedom?

It's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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Freedom of religion is guaranteed by the Constitution, then change it. Obama would love for that to happen anyway.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Freedom of religion is guaranteed by the Constitution, then change it. Obama would love for that to happen anyway.
Why because he's a Socialist, godless, Muslim?

The constitution bars "establishment of religion" and bars "prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The First Amendment does not say that laws that apply to all have religious exemptions for the faithful.

Example: The Catholic faith doesn't believe in war. Yet, faithful Catholics still must pay taxes of which a portion goes to fighting wars.

Likewise, those that work for Catholic institutions should not be barred from contracting with insurance companies that are mandated to provide them contraceptive coverage. To me, having a law that allows them to do that would be an illegal establishment of religion.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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OMG!!! How incredibly stupid can they get in Washington???? Arrest a priest at the drop of a dime after the Occupy debacle???

This will get out (although it will take the MSM 10-16 days to spin it)
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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OMG!!! How incredibly stupid can they get in Washington???? Arrest a priest at the drop of a dime after the Occupy debacle???

This will get out (although it will take the MSM 10-16 days to spin it)
Can you please find a non-pro life news source for this story? I haven't been able to.

Needless to say, "Life Site News" has a dog in this fight and likely isn't objective. Just saying.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Another poll, another confirmation AGAINST obama's war on religion.

CNN Poll: Half oppose Obama birth control insurance plan – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

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According to the survey, 50% of the public disapproves of the Obama administration policy, with 44% saying they approve of the plan.
These are adults...I shudder to think what the number would be with LV/RV OR Catholics.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Another poll, another confirmation AGAINST obama's war on religion.

CNN Poll: Half oppose Obama birth control insurance plan – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs



These are adults...I shudder to think what the number would be with LV/RV OR Catholics.
Half? Didn't your threads all say the majority was against him?

Sure change your opinion to fit whatever anti Obama agenda is out there that day. Maybe you should look ay republicans also.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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According to the survey, 50% of the public disapproves of the Obama administration policy, with 44% saying they approve of the plan. The margin is right at the edge of the poll's sampling error.
Hardly an overwhelming denunciation. Moreover, many of those AGAINST votes were from the bible-belt (rural and South) where he doesn't get many votes anyway.
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Old 02-16-2012, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Half? Didn't your threads all say the majority was against him?

Sure change your opinion to fit whatever anti Obama agenda is out there that day. Maybe you should look ay republicans also.
Rasmussen - 60%, Pew - almost 50%, but even more Catholics and Protestants disagree. Same with this new poll of adults. If they asked Catholics, it would be even more than that.

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Hardly an overwhelming denunciation. Moreover, many of those AGAINST votes were from the bible-belt (rural and South) where he doesn't get many votes anyway.
Link to this claim?

Doesn't have to be overwhelming...just enough to cost him the Catholic/Protestant vote, which will cost him the election.

There is NO free lunch;

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8DG63Z20120216

Insurers see costs in Obama birth control rule
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