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Old 02-04-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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Common thread among his supporters. He can beat Obama. What has he ever done to prove that though? He won Governor, but before that was pounded by Kennedy and would've lost his second bid for Governor, which is why he didnt run.

2008 he lost to a candidate who got pounded by Obama.

Common rebuttal will be look at the polls, he polls the best vs. Obama. My response, who cares?

You can poll as well as you want, the goal is to win, not poll well. His polling has nothing to do with him being an electable candidate.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: pensacola,florida
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So what do you suggest?We stop polling?

I guess if he does beat Obama he will have proven he can.


No one else can prove they can beat Obama either.If they can't beat Romney I don't see it likely they can beat Obama either.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Riverside
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Common thread among his supporters. He can beat Obama. What has he ever done to prove that though? He won Governor, but before that was pounded by Kennedy and would've lost his second bid for Governor, which is why he didnt run.

2008 he lost to a candidate who got pounded by Obama.

Common rebuttal will be look at the polls, he polls the best vs. Obama. My response, who cares?

You can poll as well as you want, the goal is to win, not poll well. His polling has nothing to do with him being an electable candidate.
Half the electorate wants to bravely face the unknown future. The other half wants to retreat to the (largely imaginary) comfort and security of the 1950's.

For that second group, despite all their concerns about Romney, he pretty much meets their needs. It'll be close.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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Compared to the rest of the Republican field he is the most electable by a long shot, but he's still a burner candidate to move the queue up for 2016.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Many folks like Herman Cain, Ross Perot and Steve Forbes have run for POTUS based on a successful business career and nothing else. Mitt Romney has that and he has the best possible kind of business experience to translate into being an effective political leader. He specialized in advising failing companies how to restructure and was so good at it that he and several friends started their own business doing the same things. Starting new businesses from the very beginning and taking them nationwide quick as you can blink -- aka venture capital. A ridiculously high success rate at buying failing businesses, fixing them, returning them to profitability and sending them on their way. 70% success rate is unheard of in that line of work. Every failing business you buy would have died anyways and all their employees would have lost their jobs, so we're talking about 70% success at saving a lot of jobs that were already in jeopardy.

He was good enough in the political scene to win governorship in a state that is massively Democratic. That's very impressive. And because he was a governor, he has executive leadership experience.

The Utah Winter Olympics were in a real mess. Corrupt Utah politicians did a lot of corrupt things like paying bribes to the International Olympic Commission and it was a major distraction. I remember since I was living there at the time. Who did they call in to fix it? Mitt Romney. Mitt was extremely successful at turning around that Winter Olympics and saving the whole event from all the controversy.

Romney was able to balance the budget repeatedly, something that hadn't happened in Massachusetts in awhile as I understand it.

Romney is moderate enough have a decent shot at beginning to heal the divide between the two parties. He has the prior experience working with Democrats successfully in Massachusetts.

Because of Romneycare, he can approach the repeal of Obamacare on the basis of having a record of compassion for the uninsured rather than just coming across as somebody who hates them.

He's got the best resume of any of the candidates including Obama. So yes, he's very electable. The main trick is overcoming the Christian Right's bias (sometimes conscious, sometimes subconscious) against his Mormon religion.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:06 PM
 
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Flip Flop Romney = failed governor. Failed businessman. Draft-dodger & coward. Leach off the US taxpayer, leach off his daddy's inheritance, left office with a 32% approval rating. Pro choice, pro gun control, pro-Obama stimulus, was the architect of Obamacare. Has at least three different positions on any given issue.

I guess this dirtbag is the least offensive clown in a GOP field full of clowns.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Right now the republican base holds the keys to nomination and they are the right wing, conservative tea party faction. They generally don't like Romney. What has to be understood is that general elections are not won or lost by the base. They are won by the moderates and center of the party. Independants play a critical role in any general election. When the time comes, Romney is the best man to pick up the center, moderate, independant voter that will swing an election. Frankly, I'm loving the death grip the right wing conservative faction has on the republican party right now. worst thing that could happen for the democrats would be for the right wing base and the mainstream republicans to become unified under Romney. It would probably be a sure loss for the democrats.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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He is the best of the bad. He is not really electable, but he will get more votes in a losing effort that any of the rest of them would. I think the party big-wigs realize the White House is out of reach in 2012, but they do not want to get kicked out of power in the Congress in a sweep because they have a jackass at the top of the ticket. It is hoped that Romney will get enough turnout and support to keep that from happening. I think they are right.
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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Common thread among his supporters. He can beat Obama. What has he ever done to prove that though? He won Governor, but before that was pounded by Kennedy and would've lost his second bid for Governor, which is why he didnt run.

2008 he lost to a candidate who got pounded by Obama.

Common rebuttal will be look at the polls, he polls the best vs. Obama. My response, who cares?

You can poll as well as you want, the goal is to win, not poll well. His polling has nothing to do with him being an electable candidate.


He didn't run for governor a second term, because he was preparing to run for President....duh. This subject has been discussed on here ad nauseum...don't you think?
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Old 02-04-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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Right now the republican base holds the keys to nomination and they are the right wing, conservative tea party faction. They generally don't like Romney. What has to be understood is that general elections are not won or lost by the base. They are won by the moderates and center of the party. Independants play a critical role in any general election. When the time comes, Romney is the best man to pick up the center, moderate, independant voter that will swing an election. Frankly, I'm loving the death grip the right wing conservative faction has on the republican party right now. worst thing that could happen for the democrats would be for the right wing base and the mainstream republicans to become unified under Romney. It would probably be a sure loss for the democrats.


And if the extreme right wing was very smart, they would come to realize just that, and they might, but Republicans has such a history of making things so much harder than they need to be and blowing it.
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