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Old 04-25-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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It's all unofficial. The true count hasn't been tallied yet.
BOUND delegates are just that they are BOUND on the first ballot. Unless if Romney drops out they MUST vote for Romney on the first ballot. Unless Romney drops out they are official as official gets.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:49 PM
 
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BOUND delegates are just that they are BOUND on the first ballot. Unless if Romney drops out they MUST vote for Romney on the first ballot. Unless Romney drops out they are official as official gets.
That's an unofficial delegate count. Just like all the other bogus estimations made by Mainstream Media.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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That's an unofficial delegate count. Just like all the other bogus estimations made by Mainstream Media.
The soft delegate count is unofficial, that is the estimated count, the hard delegate count is official. They are BOUND, they have NO CHOICE on the first ballot. NONE, ZILCH ZERO,
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Romney is a hardcore radical social conservative, perhaps not as far out in nutter land was Rick and Newt are, but he is still a hardcore social conservative.
HAHAHA... "hardcore radical social conservative." WOW...

This is comparable to the extreme right-wingers who call Obama a marxist, socialist, communist, etc.

Romney - the "hardcore radical social conservative" who was elected governor of one of the most liberal states in the nation (and who has changed his stance on only one social issue since that time and, even on that issue, has not done a complete 180).

And, ironically, Romney has recently showed that he is willing to ignore what the extreme religious right wants. See this:

Romney Attacked For Hiring Gay Spokesman

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Taking a look at Central and western PA now that Santorum is out does show that.
No, it doesn't. It simply means those voters couldn't vote for who would have likely been their first choice, so they had to settle for someone more moderate.

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Greater Washington, DC
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HAHAHA... "hardcore radical social conservative." WOW...

This is comparable to the extreme right-wingers who call Obama a marxist, socialist, communist, etc.

Romney - the "hardcore radical social conservative" who was elected governor of one of the most liberal states in the nation (and who has changed his stance on only one social issue since that time and, even on that issue, has not done a complete 180).

And, ironically, Romney has recently showed that he is willing to ignore what the extreme religious right wants. See this:

Romney Attacked For Hiring Gay Spokesman



No, it doesn't. It simply means those voters couldn't vote for who would have likely been their first choice, so they had to settle for someone more moderate.

Seriously I sort of did a when I saw that comment about him being a "hardcore radical social conservative" and ignored it. Like you said, it's the same as the Obama is a marxist crap.
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The soft delegate count is unofficial, that is the estimated count, the hard delegate count is official. They are BOUND, they have NO CHOICE on the first ballot. NONE, ZILCH ZERO
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Those numbers are lies from the Lamestream Media. Romney will not get to 1144. Those numbers are wrong. It doesn't matter that there is no one else those delegates can vote for, and that you can do the math yourself and figure that out, you're wrong. Ron Paul will win on the second ballot. The whole convention will be filled with Ron Paul supporters ready to erupt into celebration once the truth is revealed to the establishment.

Then you'll say the same thing you've been saying (which, as we both know, should end this argument, but, as we also both know, it won't)

More power to you!
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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The soft delegate count is unofficial, that is the estimated count, the hard delegate count is official. They are BOUND, they have NO CHOICE on the first ballot. NONE, ZILCH ZERO,
Except for the ones expected to abstain on the 1st ballot.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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Except for the ones expected to abstain on the 1st ballot.
The delegates who are unbound or unpledged can abstain, however the Pledged/ Bound delegates are not allowed to abstain. They MUST vote Romney on the first ballot, no state allows them to abstain.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:08 AM
 
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The delegates who are unbound or unpledged can abstain, however the Pledged/ Bound delegates are not allowed to abstain. They MUST vote Romney on the first ballot, no state allows them to abstain.
The bound delegates are not enough for Romney on the first ballot. Once it goes to the 2nd ballot, it's over for Romney.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Except for the ones expected to abstain on the 1st ballot.
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The bound delegates are not enough for Romney on the first ballot. Once it goes to the 2nd ballot, it's over for Romney.
It will only not be enough if Paul winds up winning states like California and othbers outright and gets the bound delegates from the remaining states.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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It will only not be enough if Paul winds up winning states like California and othbers outright and gets the bound delegates from the remaining states.
Texas and California are not winner take all states. The delegates chosen will mostly go to Ron Paul.
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