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Old 06-05-2012, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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I AM A UNION WORKER, I am not the problem. Teachers, police officers, paramedics, firefighters, road workers, construction trades, etc. are NOT the enemy. If you're jealous of our benefits, FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN!, not against ours. The rich who created this crisis are putting middle class families against each other. We live here, pay taxes, work hard & try to support our families too.

That being said... Walker please let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
I commented that it was impossible to be jealous of people who pay union dues and my comment was deleted for being off topic.

I have always fought for my own salary and benefits by being VERY GOOD at my job. I have never depended on some other source to help me keep my job. I've done it on my own.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I am a teacher. I am not a problem. My fellow teachers aren't the problem.

However, my Union is part of the problem. They own their own health insurance provider, use collective bargaining to get a monopoly within many school districts. At that point, they overcharge the school district/tax payers/government above fair market value for the health insurance coverage.

This takes money away from schools that could be used to hire more teachers, fix leaky roofs, buy new computers, buy new textbooks, end pay to play sports and etc...and puts it in the hands of the Union to fund politicians and spend on pet projects.

The Union takes away hundreds of thousands of dollars to over a million dollars per year per school district needlessly. THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
You should quit or learn to negotiate effectively.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I am a teacher. I am not a problem. My fellow teachers aren't the problem.

However, my Union is part of the problem. They own their own health insurance provider, use collective bargaining to get a monopoly within many school districts. At that point, they overcharge the school district/tax payers/government above fair market value for the health insurance coverage.

This takes money away from schools that could be used to hire more teachers, fix leaky roofs, buy new computers, buy new textbooks, end pay to play sports and etc...and puts it in the hands of the Union to fund politicians and spend on pet projects.

The Union takes away hundreds of thousands of dollars to over a million dollars per year per school district needlessly. THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
In my city (Boston) 86% of the educational budget for the city goes to teacher compensation. Then the teachers have the embarrassing gall to complain that they sometimes have to buy supplies for their classes.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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So why don't you quit and work in a non-union position? That's ridiculous to be in a union, while at the same time trashing them
Do you live in a fantasy land?

With your logic, if someone criticizes the president they should switch countries.

In your fantasy world is it easy to switch jobs without moving in a lesser populated area? Do you know how few non-union teaching jobs there are? Do you know what happens to teachers who try to leave the union and remain in the same school? Should you ditch the community you love, kids, coworkers, parents, content you teach, because you see a few flaws in an imperfect world?

I suggest you be more open to change.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Do you live in a fantasy land?

With your logic, if someone criticizes the president they should switch countries.

In your fantasy world is it easy to switch jobs without moving in a lesser populated area? Should you ditch the community you love, kids, coworkers, parents, content you teach, because you see a few flaws in an imperfect world?

I suggest you be more open to change.
Someone is living in a fantasy land, and it sure isn't me.

If you strongly dislike what a politician is doing, you vote for someone else.

If you strongly dislike unions, you leave them. Lapping at the union trough while complaining at the same time about how much you hate it is just downright ridiculous.
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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I just read that they are running out of ballots and forms for new voter registration in many precincts.

Does anyone know if these are provisional ballots for those newly registering that will be checked out for legitamacy before being counted?

Thanks
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Old 06-05-2012, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Do you live in a fantasy land?

With your logic, if someone criticizes the president they should switch countries.

In your fantasy world is it easy to switch jobs without moving in a lesser populated area? Do you know how few non-union teaching jobs there are? Do you know what happens to teachers who try to leave the union and remain in the same school? Should you ditch the community you love, kids, coworkers, parents, content you teach, because you see a few flaws in an imperfect world?

I suggest you be more open to change.
You missed the most important ones.... You know that big pay cut you'd take taking a non union teacher's job? You know, the benefits you'd give up?

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Old 06-05-2012, 07:11 PM
 
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Someone is living in a fantasy land, and it sure isn't me.

If you strongly dislike what a politician is doing, you vote for someone else.

If you strongly dislike unions, you leave them. Lapping at the union trough while complaining at the same time about how much you hate it is just downright ridiculous.
So then, you'd say that I should stay in a union and vote as I believe?
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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119% voter turnout in Madison! Those buses from Chicago are working wonders up there!
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:15 PM
 
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You missed the most important ones.... You know how big a pay cut you'd take taking a non union teacher's job? You know the benefits you'd give up?


Funding per pupil has nothing to do with unions when it comes to the state in public schools. Non-union public schools get the same funding per pupil regardless. They may consider % of minority students and etc.
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