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Old 07-18-2012, 01:55 AM
 
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lol...you are dreaming! You think Obama isn't vunerable on virtually every subject there is??? The only saving grace for Obama is that more than likely the debates will be moderated by those in corner to begin with for the most part.
Many conservatives don't like Romney, so your tin toil conspiracy theory might actually be true.

I think Romney is less popular than McCain, if that is possible.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:02 AM
 
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Many conservatives don't like Romney, so your tin toil conspiracy theory might actually be true.

I think Romney is less popular than McCain, if that is possible.


I wasn't speaking of conservatives...not sure where you got that? I don't know if Romney is less 'popular' than McCain, because we are not electing prom king, but I do know conservatives can't stand the thoughts of Obama having four more years...that's all that matters.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I wasn't speaking of conservatives...not sure where you got that? I don't know if Romney is less 'popular' than McCain, because we are not electing prom king, but I do know conservatives can't stand the thoughts of Obama having four more years...that's all that matters.
My family here in South Carolina is caught in a quandry. They despise Obama because he's black, but don't want to vote for Romney because he's heathen (Mormon). If only he had had the foresight to be born a Baptist. Oh, well. It is what it is.

It's funny as all heck to hear them talk politics, though. I shut up and sit back and listen.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:31 AM
 
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Well, when we need a "cool" singer we give Obama a look see, but right now we need someone who is capable of leading this nation out of the mess Obama has succeeded in getting us in...cool singers need not apply.
Actually, the Great Recession started when Bush was in office after the Republicans had held the House, Senate and Presidency for 6/8 years. It's funny when partisans have their emotions tell them that they're conservative or Republican and they want to live in a dream world where nothing contradicts that. Unfortunately, the Great Recession was caused by lax financial regulations. That's the mantra of Republicans who continue to try to stop bank regulations to this day.

Feel free to hold Obama accountable for his actions, but the mess we're in were caused by the people who you love. Try holding them accountable at some point.
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:35 AM
 
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Obama is the best orator in Washington when he's on his game, but there were several times when Hillary whipped him in the primary debates of 2008.

I believe we will just have to wait and watch. Mitt is pretty wooden most of the time, but when he's backed into a corner, his brain takes over, and he's a very smart guy with fast reflexes. He dominated Gingrich several times, and Newt is a very skilled orator and debater, so I'm making no predictions.
Romney starts off unimpressive but he's a quick study. His big weakness is he's far too quick to anger when directly challenged; it throws him off his plan and he starts to get cagey and nervous. It worked well enough against the hotheads and dullards he shared the stage with during the primaries; none of them had the sense to disengage and let him harm himself. Obama's thing is playing it low-key, which really highlights intemperateness. McCain tried the alpha strategy in '08 and it made him look like a doddering old fool.

If Romney can walk a fine line between somehow goading Obama into explaining the lackluster results of his domestic policy so far without pointing out they're almost verbatim Romney's from when he was governor, he has a shot. Foreign policy is out of the question; Bin Laden's dead and Romney still thinks the Soviet Union is a thing. I don't think the debates will change anyone's minds though.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Well, when we need a "cool" singer we give Obama a look see, but right now we need someone who is capable of leading this nation out of the mess Obama has succeeded in getting us in...cool singers need not apply.
Well, I'll wait for the debates to compare Obama and Romney.

I do predict that garbage like the quote above that claim Obama drove us into this mess, a pure fabrication by the right, parroted hopefully by the true believers, will be exposed as the straight up lies they are. Despite the desperate attempts to imply Obama caused the recession, we all know it was deregulation, personal debt, and corporate sleaze. With Romney you'll get to put those same jokers back in the driver's seat, and that's not very appealing, to say the least.
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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Well, I'll wait for the debates to compare Obama and Romney.

I do predict that garbage like the quote above that claim Obama drove us into this mess, a pure fabrication by the right, parroted hopefully by the true believers, will be exposed as the straight up lies they are. Despite the desperate attempts to imply Obama caused the recession, we all know it was deregulation, personal debt, and corporate sleaze. With Romney you'll get to put those same jokers back in the driver's seat, and that's not very appealing, to say the least.
Not to mention the lovely people who brought us Iraq and land war in Afghanistan, destroyer of empires!
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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Actually, the Great Recession started when Bush was in office after the Republicans had held the House, Senate and Presidency for 6/8 years. It's funny when partisans have their emotions tell them that they're conservative or Republican and they want to live in a dream world where nothing contradicts that. Unfortunately, the Great Recession was caused by lax financial regulations. That's the mantra of Republicans who continue to try to stop bank regulations to this day.

Feel free to hold Obama accountable for his actions, but the mess we're in were caused by the people who you love. Try holding them accountable at some point.
Oh please.

The recession started when the Democrats were in control of congress and if we are honest, we will point out that the foundation for the recession was poured under Clinton where we saw the:

1) Housing Market Bubble get born
2) The Dot Com Bubble burst in his final months in office
3) NAFTA
4) China most favored status
5) Fake surpluses

What has Obama done that is so fabulous? Adding more debt in 3.5 years than Bush in 8 years?
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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Oh please.

The recession started when the Democrats were in control of congress and if we are honest, we will point out that the foundation for the recession was poured under Clinton where we saw the:

1) Housing Market Bubble get born
2) The Dot Com Bubble burst in his final months in office
3) NAFTA
4) China most favored status
5) Fake surpluses

What has Obama done that is so fabulous? Adding more debt in 3.5 years than Bush in 8 years?
First off, that's not how deficits work. Obama has added some (stimulus, and not actively seeking repeal of tax cuts) but most of that number is directly related to Bush policies that we are still living with like tax cuts, wars, and the recession.

You're right about Clinton. He shouldn't get a pass for his roll in the housing bubble and passing of laws that helped enable the financial meltdown.

Personally I think fully implemented ACA will be third rail program 20 years down the road and will be a milestone accomplishment. For this election however...

Also, this Administration's foreign policy work has been stellar. I know it's the team around him, like Clinton, but the repair of relations in Europe, how we handled Libya, finally calling-out Pakistan, and getting Bin Laden are not minor accomplishments.
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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lol...you are dreaming! You think Obama isn't vunerable on virtually every subject there is??? The only saving grace for Obama is that more than likely the debates will be moderated by those in corner to begin with for the most part.
The debates will be Romney vs. Romney. Obama will counter with "I agree with what Mr. Romney said in 2003..." and "In 1994 Mr. Romney thought that this program was a great idea so why..." Bank on it.

This is assuming that the parties don't put conditions on the debate that restrict mention of prior policy positions, which is possible. These debates have become nothing more than talking point recital sessions.
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