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View Poll Results: What is the percentage of voter fraud in the US
less than 1% 11 47.83%
5% 2 8.70%
10% 1 4.35%
15% 3 13.04%
20% 2 8.70%
25% 4 17.39%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-11-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That is my point. It gets coverage, but they don't convict.

Election fraud well you don't hear much about that do ya? I got a whole thread on it pages and pages. Seriously amazing. Got lawsuits, convictions, documents etc.... Do ya hear the media covering it?
Actually it seems like everyone posts plenty of news articles about voter fraud in here, so I would classify that as media covering it.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:30 AM
 
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nmnita brings up a good point too.

WHY ON EARTH would the Obama DOJ want to stop ANY State from clearing the dead people on their voter rolls?

Can any of you Liberals give me a credible reason for that?
When the DOJ went looking for fraud from 2002-2007--THROUGH THE BUSH YEARS--they only found 86 cases. Are you saying that they didn't want to clean them up either?
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:31 AM
 
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I already said that any statistical analysis is inherently flawed since you cannot have records of all the people who never get caught.
Well then take a wild guess.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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ID or no ID doesn't matter much if you have no way of knowing if your vote was counted. The vote counters matter far more than the voters.
That's just it and you made a great point--we seem to have a much bigger problem with stuffing ballot boxes and/or destroying them. If some of you are so on fire to stop election fraud, why don't you start where the real problem is vs. using this as a smokescreen to try to disenfranchise elderly, poor, urban and black voters who might not vote the way you want.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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When the DOJ went looking for fraud from 2002-2007--THROUGH THE BUSH YEARS--they only found 86 cases. Are you saying that they didn't want to clean them up either?

Where in this reply did you address the question I asked?

WHY ON EARTH would the DOJ be against ANY State clearing dead people off of the voter rolls?
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That's just it and you made a great point--we seem to have a much bigger problem with stuffing ballot boxes and/or destroying them. If some of you are so on fire to stop election fraud, why don't you start where the real problem is vs. using this as a smokescreen to try to disenfranchise elderly, poor, urban and black voters who might not vote the way you want.
Heck, I think votes are cooked the moment you let a politician decide what their own district is. When you gather all the voters for your party to create a stronghold, that in a sense makes voting in those districts pointless.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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Where in this reply did you address the question I asked?

WHY ON EARTH would the DOJ be against ANY State clearing dead people off of the voter rolls?
I think he was referring to the fact that during those years it was a Republican DOJ, care to explain why the Republican DOJ didn't go after voter fraud if it was such a problem for Republicans?
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Where in this reply did you address the question I asked?

WHY ON EARTH would the DOJ be against ANY State clearing dead people off of the voter rolls?
My point was that the DOJ--under a republican administration--looked into it and found nothing. Are you saying that they looked the other way? Again--they went looking for people who had voted under dead peoples names, etc. and only found 86 cases out of 300 million cast, and most of those were things like accidently voting at the wrong address. THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD AT THE BALLOT BOX. THIS IS A MADE UP ISSUE THAT YOU PEOPLE ARE USING TO DISENFRANCHISE VOTERS.

As for the rest, clearing ineligible people off the list, like dead voters, should be a routine thing--why wouldn't the state update death certificates against the voter rolls? It's only a problem when the people they clear aren't actually dead or ineligible--you know--LIKE WHAT THEY TRIED TO DO IN FLORIDA. AND TEXAS...and--oh WAIT--ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

Voting Rights Activist Purged From NM Voter Rolls | Crooks and Liars
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/us...ter-purge.html
300,000 Eligible Voters In Texas May Be Purged From the Polls - Cuéntame
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:56 AM
 
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That's just it and you made a great point--we seem to have a much bigger problem with stuffing ballot boxes and/or destroying them. If some of you are so on fire to stop election fraud, why don't you start where the real problem is vs. using this as a smokescreen to try to disenfranchise elderly, poor, urban and black voters who might not vote the way you want.
Lots of peeps make money off of our current corrupt system. They don't want that gravy train ending. Always best to distract and point at the ambiguous "Joe Citizen". States make money off of selling people's info and charging for ID. This isn't really a D or R issue, but framing it that way keeps the peasants fighting while they are robbed blind. The Big 6/NEP are govt owned so why would they incriminate themselves when they can make more money off of it and keep their cozy system going?

This is a much bigger issue. Gaming an election is a piece of cake. How can all this other petty stuff matter about voting?
Goldman Sachs US election investment
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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My point was that the DOJ--under a republican administration--looked into it and found nothing.

Your POINT didn't address my QUESTION which you QUOTED though.

AGAIN I ask.......


WHY ON EARTH would the DOJ want to stop ANY State from removing dead people off the voter rolls?
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