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View Poll Results: What is the percentage of voter fraud in the US
less than 1% 11 47.83%
5% 2 8.70%
10% 1 4.35%
15% 3 13.04%
20% 2 8.70%
25% 4 17.39%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-11-2012, 11:20 AM
 
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Heck, I think votes are cooked the moment you let a politician decide what their own district is. When you gather all the voters for your party to create a stronghold, that in a sense makes voting in those districts pointless.

....and so Democrats do it just the same as Republicans.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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....and so Democrats do it just the same as Republicans.
Actually yes both sides do that....did I not spell that out correctly for you or did you think I meant Republicans when I used the word "politician?" The word "politician" means all politicians regardless of their party.

Is that more clear for you?
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Your POINT didn't address my QUESTION which you QUOTED though.

AGAIN I ask.......


WHY ON EARTH would the DOJ want to stop ANY State from removing dead people off the voter rolls?
Yes, every dead voter should be removed....it is also the responsibility of the next of kin to inform that the recently dead are no longer voters...it is the same as when you move to a new state, you are suppose to inform the state that you are no longer able to vote there. How often do you think people do that when they move?
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Are we saying here, voter fraud is so rampant that every state which votes GOP in great numbers has voter fraud that tips the balance?

Likewise for every state that votes DEM in great numbers - voter fraud is to blame?

Therefore, there is no valid outcome in any state?

Or, are we just talking about the really close elections (like a few hundred and/or thousand votes) where the source of the votes needs careful scrutiny?
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You would think, if there were millions of voter fraud going on at each election that it would be all over every news channel? I seriously doubt we are having millions of fake votes happening at each election.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Between 2002-2007 the US Justice system found only 86 people accused of voter fraud at the ballot box, out of over 300 million votes cast. Out of those 86 votes, most were people who were simply unaware of their ineligibility.

Electoral fraud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you want to talk about election fraud during vote counts, that's a different story, but that problem has more to do with corrupt people in charge of elections, and has absolutely nothing to do with requiring state issued id to vote.
We do not find many people committing voter fraud because it's far too easy to commit it, far to easy to get away with, and in most places we have no accountability in place to try and prevent it or identify it. So how can you catch voter fraud if we aren't even trying to track it, much less prevent it?
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:19 PM
 
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Merely the tip of the iceberg......they can only compute stats for those actually CAUGHT.
Exactly! It has to be be pretty flagrant to catch them. Registering with the exact same name in two states, is what this woman did, but how do you catch the person who registers as multiple people in multiple cites and states? In a word, you can't.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Exactly! It has to be be pretty flagrant to catch them. Registering with the exact same name in two states, is what this woman did, but how do you catch the person who registers as multiple people in multiple cites and states? In a word, you can't.
And Voter ID Laws are not going to stop this kind of fraud because people can just do it through mail-in ballot.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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But I am being told by people on CD that it is a rampant problem that is out of control in our country. I wonder where their information is that proves that it is rampant, you know beyond the case of a person here and there getting caught for voter fraud.
Sure, make it all but impossible to catch voter fraud, and then say because we aren't catching a lot of people, that there is no problem.

O'Keefe proved how easy it was to pretend to be other people to vote, even pretending to be Eric Holder, and doing it in Holder's Illinois precinct, it was easy as pie.

O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Sure, make it all but impossible to catch voter fraud, and then say because we aren't catching a lot of people, that there is no problem.

O'Keefe proved how easy it was to pretend to be other people to vote, even pretending to be Eric Holder, and doing it in Holder's Illinois precinct, it was easy as pie.

O'Keefe Voter Fraud Investigation: Young Man Offered Holder's Ballot
So how much voter fraud do you think actually happens in the general election? We had 131.3million voters, how many of those were fake?

We have a hard enough time getting people to vote in this country to begin with, I think that is a bigger problem than voter fraud.
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