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Old 11-12-2013, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That is true, we will die off, but remember statistics show, the older you get, the more conservative you get, so those 30 somethings today will be the older generation after we have died off. Many of them will become conservatives or certainly Republicans.

I do think, the one thing the GOP has to realize; the country is changing, we are not living in 1950 anymore. We can change and still keep our conservative views. We can not cut off our nose to spite our face.
That is not always the case, unless the GOP does something to attract the younger generations, they are going to continue to struggle because I don't see many young people becoming Republicans just because they get older. The older I have gotten, the further I have moved away from Republicans. My wife was a liberal voter before being married and is still a liberal voter now that she is married. The times are changing, and so are the old patterns.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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That is true, we will die off, but remember statistics show, the older you get, the more conservative you get, so those 30 somethings today will be the older generation after we have died off. Many of them will become conservatives or certainly Republicans.
Actually, research is finding that that's a myth. A number of studies show that the opposite is actually true.

"All the evidence we have found refutes the idea that as people age their attitudes become more conservative or more rigid," said Nicholas Danigelis, a sociologist at the University of Vermont. "It's just not true. More people are changing in a liberal direction than in a conservative direction."

Busting Myth, People Turn More Liberal With Age | LiveScience

Do People Become More Conservative as They Age? : Discovery News

One reason studies give for this pervasive myth is that older people, who come from more conservative eras, have further to go to change their beliefs, so in comparison to, say, a 30 year old, they are more conservative. But they are also less conservative than they were when they were 30, because they, too, have changed with the times, albeit more slowly.

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I do think, the one thing the GOP has to realize; the country is changing, we are not living in 1950 anymore. We can change and still keep our conservative views. We can not cut off our nose to spite our face.
No argument there.
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Old 11-12-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I do think, the one thing the GOP has to realize; the country is changing, we are not living in 1950 anymore. We can change and still keep our conservative views. We can not cut off our nose to spite our face.
Amen, and that requires cutting off from anyone in the party unwilling to change. Let them either adapt as a third party, or perish if they wish, but by all means, detach their tentacles from a party requiring change to survive on a national level.

I do disagree on CC- he needs to ramp up the rhetoric. The TP has a national 4% favorable rating-he needs to identify the GOP as distinct from an org whose rating is below head lice in popularity. The rual conservs have nowhere to turn to vote. They need to be taken for granted.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Vernon, British Columbia
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Actually, research is finding that that's a myth. A number of studies show that the opposite is actually true.

"All the evidence we have found refutes the idea that as people age their attitudes become more conservative or more rigid," said Nicholas Danigelis, a sociologist at the University of Vermont. "It's just not true. More people are changing in a liberal direction than in a conservative direction."

Busting Myth, People Turn More Liberal With Age | LiveScience

Do People Become More Conservative as They Age? : Discovery News

One reason studies give for this pervasive myth is that older people, who come from more conservative eras, have further to go to change their beliefs, so in comparison to, say, a 30 year old, they are more conservative. But they are also less conservative than they were when they were 30, because they, too, have changed with the times, albeit more slowly.
Another reason that the myth continues is that while older people become more liberal with age, the conservative ideas that they hold onto become more important.

eg. let's take a basket of ideas, say 50. John is 30 years old in 1980, and is conservative on 35 of those 50 ideas. Now it is 2013, and at the age of 63, John is only conservative on 15 of those ideas, but those 15 conservative ideas weigh heaver than the other 35 when deciding who to vote for.

Stan is a 30 year old in 2013, who happens to be conservative on those same 15 ideas, but unlike John, those 15 ideas are not enough for him to even consider voting Republican/Conservative. John would like lower tuition fees for university students, but having the government crack down on crime is more important. Stan is fresh out of university, and while he would like tougher sentences for hardened criminals, lower tuition rates is more relevant issue.
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:42 PM
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And most of those old retired people who make up a significant portion of non-working Americans vote for Republicans. But they'll die out soon enough. And then the real trouble begins for the GOP.
The number of people of working age who are actually in the workforce continues to fall while the number of people on government assistance or full government support continues to rise... It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see that this can't continue forever.

When reality sets in and Democrats can no longer blame everything on rich white people what exactly is the plan? Once we finally reach the point where those who are NOT working but should be can out vote those who ARE working and paying taxes then what happens? What's the plan Einstein? Democrats openly campaign on things like amnesty and against things like voter IDs while riding the race card all the way. What happens when it all comes crumbling down and your insane policies can no longer be supported? We're pretty damn close to that point now and all Democrats can come up with is "spend more".
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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That is not always the case, unless the GOP does something to attract the younger generations, they are going to continue to struggle because I don't see many young people becoming Republicans just because they get older. The older I have gotten, the further I have moved away from Republicans. My wife was a liberal voter before being married and is still a liberal voter now that she is married. The times are changing, and so are the old patterns.
sorry, you mention your wife, I am guessing from your postings you are not a conservative: this would make a huge difference. I have seen just the opposite from our family and friends after over 50 years of voting, including our own kids and grandkids. Many are conservatives, many have started life as liberals and there are a few who started as conservatives that ended up liberal. BTW, I am talking about conservative as more who they vote for and how they feel about fiscal issues. I do think many of us become more liberal on certain social issues as years go by. We become more accepting of others overall views.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:26 PM
 
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self-deportation for one, Mittens. (Lost Latinos by 50 points!!)

A pro life position in a platform-for what, political suicide, Roe v Wade is NOT going away. Pretty pro life words affect nothing but lose votes. (Lost women by double digits)
was any of that english?
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:01 PM
Status: "Love trumps hate, Trump trumped your hate" (set 26 days ago)
 
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Jude, where did you go? I would love to hear your answer to my questions.
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Old 11-12-2016, 11:44 PM
 
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I am an independent, but I am thoroughly disgusted with Obama and his administration and their ambition to forcefully transform America into a socialist nation.

My question is this: Is it even possible or likely for a Republican to win the white house again?


The following factors make me believe that it is impossible:
  • Rapidly increasing minority population who tends to vote Democratic.
  • People are going to be hooked on Obamacare and not want to reverse these policies once it's active.
  • Obama plans to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, who will most likely vote Democratic in 2016, if this bill progresses.
  • The Republicans keep making an issue out of things like gay marriage and abortion and it makes them look bad and they lose votes from women and gays.
  • Liberalism is like a disease that's hard to reverse. It seems like more people transition from conservative to liberal than the other way around.
  • States that have been traditionally red are soon going to flip to blue, due to an influx of immigrants, minorities, etc.
  • It's too easy to sell Democratic policies on the people; the "feel good" effect. Words such as "equality" and "fairness" have a mass appeal that Democrats always use, and it resonates well with people, when in reality it's a device to advance their statist agenda.
  • States that have been traditionally red for decades are now locked into blue (New Hampshire, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, New Mexico, Colorado, etc.).
What the heck? How can a Republican even ever win again, given these factors? How can we stop moving toward socialism and protect the last remaining large free nation on earth?
Obviously yes.
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Old 11-12-2016, 11:45 PM
 
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i am an independent, but i am thoroughly disgusted with obama and his administration and their ambition to forcefully transform america into a socialist nation.

My question is this: is it even possible or likely for a republican to win the white house again?


yes
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