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Again, voting in prez years but not mid terms is prima facie evidence of being uninformed. It means the person does not realize the importance of Congress, of the legislative branch.
That is true, people on both sides of the political spectrum do this.
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Really? I searched for a link that validates what you say and came up empty.
Your turn now---find a link and I will read it.
im simply gave you an example of my personal experience of seeing multiple people in my own polling place not realize that the Senate district lines had been redrawn, and then proceed to vote anyways.
Instead of bickering back and forth, i will just ask.
Do you honestly believe there are no people who blindly vote along party lines during mid terms ??? You know most parties actually track straight ticket voting right ?
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Again, voting in prez years but not mid terms is prima facie evidence of being uninformed. It means the person does not realize the importance of Congress, of the legislative branch.
prima facie = fallacy.
It means, by definition, that you have no evidence to back it up, but also nothing to prove it wrong. Thats not an adequate defense of your stance.
And arguing that someone didnt vote is not the same as not understanding the importance. There were a number of candidates in my local area who did not have an opponent in the general election. There were lines I left blank because of it.
By your standard, that means im not informed.
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That is true, people on both sides of the political spectrum do this.
they do, but it doesnt make them uninformed to simply not vote.
Again, voting in prez years but not mid terms is prima facie evidence of being uninformed. It means the person does not realize the importance of Congress, of the legislative branch.
No its not, you are simple using the words prima facie to try and lend credibility to an unsupported argument.
Once more it doesn't mean a person does not realize the importance of congress, or of the legislative branch, that is another baseless assumption.
What if someone believes that congress is important, but also posits the very reasonable argument that even a close election is going to likely decided by a margin of tens of thousands of votes thus making their vote irrelevant and thus only votes when they feel voting will result in people not bothering them to vote which occurs at a lower rate in mid terms.
That is a perfectly plausible explanation. Another perfectly reasonable explanation is that someone understands the issues and importance of congress, but lacks confidence in anyone running being able to have any real impact on gridlock, whereas they believe the president does have power to accomplish things.
Simply put, there are lots of reasons informed people don't vote in midterms. So tying voting in midterms to voter information, based on their being no other reason not to vote is not a solid stand alone argument.
Do you honestly believe there are no people who blindly vote along party lines during mid terms ??? You know most parties actually track straight ticket voting right ?
Sure. There are some who always do that. However...I'm guessing that most who do that don't bother with local elections. If you have something that proves otherwise, post the link.
I remember a few years ago going to vote in a local election and getting to the polls in the mid-afternoon. I was the 26th person to vote that day! Far too many voters think that only presidential elections matter. As I said, FOR EXAMPLE, if they are voting "D" for president, then they vote "D" for every one else. The sad thing is that people who vote like this often end up throwing out a good representative or a good local elected official, be they dem or rep. That's what is so frustrating.
The writer cites a poll from Pew Research on 'what do Americans know.' The poll asked 12 questions of voters on current events. Republican respondents outperformed Democrats on 10 of 12 questions. Dems prevailed on 2 questions, but only by tiny margins.
The writer cites a poll from Pew Research on 'what do Americans know.' The poll asked 12 questions of voters on current events. Republican respondents outperformed Democrats on 10 of 12 questions. Dems prevailed on 2 questions, but only by tiny margins.
That makes sense. The current winners are always more satisfied than the losers, so more attention is paid by the current losers to what's going on.
The deer that gets nipped by a wolf is always more alert than the deer that wasn't nipped when the wolf came around. Humans work the same way.
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Sure. There are some who always do that. However...I'm guessing that most who do that don't bother with local elections. If you have something that proves otherwise, post the link.
I remember a few years ago going to vote in a local election and getting to the polls in the mid-afternoon. I was the 26th person to vote that day! Far too many voters think that only presidential elections matter. As I said, FOR EXAMPLE, if they are voting "D" for president, then they vote "D" for every one else. The sad thing is that people who vote like this often end up throwing out a good representative or a good local elected official, be they dem or rep. That's what is so frustrating.
Local =/= mid term.
If you mean local as in mayoral, then there obviously isnt any information as those elections are so small. If you mean Congressional and governor races in the mid terms, then yes,there is plenty of data out there. It just matters if the parties make it public or not.
" Despite the presence of two candidates on the ballot
for governor, the Republicans still won the straight
ticket vote as they have since 1998. In 2006, the
GOP received 51.33% of the straight ticket votes
cast, while the Democrats received 47.44%. For the
Republicans, this was slightly less than they
received in 2002 (52%) or 1998 (52.68%) "
straight ticket numbers are internal and have to be released by the state parties.
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