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Old 08-12-2015, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Kasich moves on up in NH. Now 3rd on the RCP NH average.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary

Interesting chart at the NYT link below.

John Kasich is starting to surpass many of his Republican rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination, behind the scenes anyway. The Ohio governor is now tied with Donald Trump in fourth place in what the New York Times calls the "invisible primary" for support from party leaders, donors and fellow politicians. Why is that important? “Since 1980, the single best predictor of a party’s nominee is the number of endorsements from party elites – elected officials and prominent past party leaders – in the months before primaries begin,” political scientist Lynn Vavreck told the paper. Kasich is fifth among the 16 candidates for the number of national endorsements he's already received, and has moved up to fourth in polls in early primary state New Hampshire.

Kasich is a Rino.. big medicaid expansion, easy on illegals, he will not change anything in Washington.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:35 AM
 
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Exactly.

I know this sounds dumb, but I don't really know if I am pro life or pro choice to be honest. I think it depends on the situation.

Social issues like gay marriage is really a non issues for me, I think religion is evolving and should be. I am a Christian who went to Catholic schools when I was young.
In regards to your second bolded sentence, I am in agreement and because of that I consider myself as "pro-choice." I don't think the government should be able to interfere with medical decisions but I also do feel that a fetus of a certain age should not be aborted.

But I have also known people personally who have had to have late term abortions based on severe genetic abnormalities of the fetus, where if born, the child would not live long or if they did live would have a poor quality of life and the couple I knew were devastated to learn of this defect at their 22 week ultrasound (it was anencephaly where the fetus does not develop a brain). They wanted to carry to term and donate the organs of the baby after death but were told they could not due to the defect and so they elected to have a abortion which involved a hospital stay and a long recovery for my friend. It is not something simple like anti-abortion activist would have you believe, nor is this sort of procedure common as it is usually only done because of genetic abnormalities of the fetus. And so I am on the fence about that and because even for the earlier abortions done with the pill or a traditional method, I may not ever make such a decision, but I am not every woman and I don't feel I have a right to tell someone else what to do in their life.

So even though I would never have an abortion unless it was a situation as described above, I do consider myself pro-choice because I am all for people having the free will to do what they would like to do in their day to day lives in most cases.

I actually believe this is a conservative mantra - small government and IMO many conservatives are hypocrites on this issue but I can overlook that as I can see how it can stir the emotions since it involves babies and most people love babies.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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In regards to your second bolded sentence, I am in agreement and because of that I consider myself as "pro-choice." I don't think the government should be able to interfere with medical decisions but I also do feel that a fetus of a certain age should not be aborted.

But I have also known people personally who have had to have late term abortions based on severe genetic abnormalities of the fetus, where if born, the child would not live long or if they did live would have a poor quality of life and the couple I knew were devastated to learn of this defect at their 22 week ultrasound (it was anencephaly where the fetus does not develop a brain). They wanted to carry to term and donate the organs of the baby after death but were told they could not due to the defect and so they elected to have a abortion which involved a hospital stay and a long recovery for my friend. It is not something simple like anti-abortion activist would have you believe, nor is this sort of procedure common as it is usually only done because of genetic abnormalities of the fetus. And so I am on the fence about that and because even for the earlier abortions done with the pill or a traditional method, I may not ever make such a decision, but I am not every woman and I don't feel I have a right to tell someone else what to do in their life.

So even though I would never have an abortion unless it was a situation as described above, I do consider myself pro-choice because I am all for people having the free will to do what they would like to do in their day to day lives in most cases.

I actually believe this is a conservative mantra - small government and IMO many conservatives are hypocrites on this issue but I can overlook that as I can see how it can stir the emotions since it involves babies and most people love babies.
Very well said. I agree 100%
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:21 PM
 
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Kasich Thanks Trump for Drawing Debate Crowds

Gov. John R. Kasich of Ohio came to a Peterborough, N.H., event on Tuesday with a take-the-high-road answer prepared for questions about Mr. Trump.
“I don’t have time to talk about somebody else,” Mr. Kasich said, adding that he was fully occupied, like Mr. Carson, with introducing himself to voters.
Responding to a question from a voter about how he had similarly deflected the topic of Mr. Trump in a CNN interview, Mr. Kasich even avoided mentioning the unlikely Republican poll-leader by name.
For a while, that is.
He eventually gave in to temptation, after uncorking a metaphor about how his much-praised debate performance was akin to being an astronaut launched in a rocket ship.
“Thank God for Donald Trump; 24 million people tuned in,” Mr. Kasich said, drawing knowing laughs about the Trump-inflated audience.
— Jonathan Martin

Former N.H. AG, Bush/Romney adviser opts for Kasich.

John Kasich Secures Endorsement of Key NH Republican Wall Street Journal (blog)
With his presidential stock rising after last week's Republican debate, Ohio Gov. John Kasich is set to announce a key New Hampshire endorsement .
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Old 08-12-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Kasich is a Rino.. big medicaid expansion, easy on illegals, he will not change anything in Washington.
Perhaps it means he actually has a chance of being elected. As opposed to a loudmouth blowhard with a massive ego who wants to make Palin a cabinet member. What good is all of the ideology if those candidates cannot get elected? Which leads to the question 'why are extremist conservatives so impractical?' It's like the Catholic church. None of the religious faithful actually adhere to rules of their ancient theism. It just doesn't work in real life.
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Utah
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I am more libertarian leaning, and would rather see Rand Paul as the nominee. I don't see any of the other candidates who would really do much for smaller government.

But Rand's not doing so well.

So I'm going to look at electability with rest. (Disclaimer, my complaints about these candidates are not necessarily reasonable in my view, but I rarely expect the general electorate to vote with a comprehensive overall understanding of issues. Too many people have comments to the effect of "well I just can't vote for Candidate Z because of his/her (Insert your own single issue or irrational dislike here)". Never mind about the rest of the world and all that needs to be handled competently. That one issue, one quote, even a bad hair day will throw some voters off a candidate. Some are silly that way.

Is there another candidate with a respectable record on limited government and constitutional zeal? I'd say that would be Cruz. But I find him distastefully far right on social issues. I don't think as President that will actually matter, law of the land and all that, but he's too easy for the left to demonize and fear-monger over.

Then you have the candidates who are more big government AND preachy - Santorum, Huckabee.... No thanks.

Rubio's lack of experience and his baby face could be big drawbacks, although he has some charm.

I think when push comes to shove, a lot of the anti-establishment, anti-politician voters will get cold feet election day when it comes to Carson and Fiorina.

Walker is boring and the Democrats will paint him as some kind of uneducated dumb-bell because he didn't finish college. And the far right fringe on social issues....

Kasich has a lot going for him in terms of being electable. Much more so than Jeb.

I'm still scratching my head over how big money donors were smart enough to accumulate big money and not see the name Bush as an albatross. Gotta believe they jump ship soon. I might think differently if Jeb had some star power and charisma, but no...

So, Kasich has experience in governing, with a record that looks good enough on paper that mud-slinging will look petty. I think he's got a good favorite uncle kind of vibe, he's likable. He may be socially conservative but I think he shone in the debate with his comments on SSM, the right balance of principles and compassion.

Now, if he can get a decent Congress to work with, maybe we can actually get back on the road to fiscal sanity. If he's popular enough generally, obstructionism in Congress could be even more damaging politically.

He may not get the nomination, but I'm leaning toward him as the pragmatic electable choice to keep Hillary or the wild-eyed socialist out of the Oval Office.

Am I forgetting anyone here? <sarcasm>

I hope Trump's popularity wanes soon, and enough GOP primary voters realize his bombastic tone and reputation and cheesy reality shows won't seem very Presidential to the average voter. Not to mention he's not speaking of shrinking the size of government to any significant degree. That is concerning to me.
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:28 PM
JRR
 
Location: Middle Tennessee
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Kasich is a Rino.. big medicaid expansion, easy on illegals, he will not change anything in Washington.
Most people are interested in changes but not in blowing up the system. It would seem that Kasich is trying to appeal to that large segment of the middle and moderates on both sides. I would think that he understands that he is not going to get support from the hard right so might as well basically ignore them. So if you don't like him that is fine; it isn't your vote that he is after.
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Old 08-13-2015, 12:24 AM
 
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I'm a dem, but I'd probably vote for him over Clinton.
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Old 08-13-2015, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Kasich is a Rino.. big medicaid expansion, easy on illegals, he will not change anything in Washington.
Do you support Trump?
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Old 08-13-2015, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Most people are interested in changes but not in blowing up the system. It would seem that Kasich is trying to appeal to that large segment of the middle and moderates on both sides. I would think that he understands that he is not going to get support from the hard right so might as well basically ignore them. So if you don't like him that is fine; it isn't your vote that he is after.
In the end, most of the hard right would vote for him in the general election. He's not that liberal at all really - a stat was posted earlier in this thread that he was rated 92% or thereabouts by some conservative group.

It's also clear that he's much more conservative than The Donald. What in the world does the far right see in that man?
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