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Old 09-08-2015, 12:05 AM
 
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I never once said Trump was a racist, just equated him with one who was overtly racist who had a track record of being just that.
Isn't that the same thing?
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Trump has NOTHING in common with Wallace............anybody that calls Americans racists for wanting LAW and Order and for foreigners to obey our laws in U.S. soil is really clueless.

Trump wants to enforce the laws already in the books.....the laws that this current President and previous took an oath to protect and enforce and have ignored.
Who said I didn't want law and order? We need to fix the border but mass deportation, forcing Mexico to pay for Mexican immigrants and having Mexico build the wall ISN'T the right way. Trump wants all of these things. Trump's "solutions" aren't helping. We can debate about Obama's oath and that's another issue alltogether.
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:09 AM
 
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Isn't that the same thing?

he can't back up anything.



Name 1 Trump proposal that is racist.........his immigration reform proposal makes the most sense out of any candidate in both parties.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform

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Old 09-08-2015, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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he can't up anything.



Name 1 Trump proposal that is racist.........his immigration reform proposal makes the most sense out of any candidate in both parties.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positio...gration-reform
He is equating any Mexican border crossing illegal to being Mexican. It's not like all Latin Americans are the same.
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:15 AM
 
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Who said I didn't want law and order? We need to fix the border but mass deportation, forcing Mexico to pay for Mexican immigrants and having Mexico build the wall ISN'T the right way. Trump wants all of these things. Trump's "solutions" aren't helping. We can debate about Obama's oath and that's another issue alltogether.


mass deportations????? if the illegals already here for years REFUSES to obey the laws then the LAW demands DEPORTATION. Either we enforce our laws or we dont have any laws.....lets pick and choose which laws will apply to foreigners in our country.


That's like saying we have a bunch of thieves in the streets but we can't arrest them or enforce the law.




you say you want LAW and Order but refuse to DEPORT any ILLEGAL who refuses to obey our laws.....then you are not for LAW and Order.....what is your punishment for foreigners that break our laws, they can stay?
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:17 AM
 
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He is equating any Mexican border crossing illegal to being Mexican. It's not like all Latin Americans are the same.

Illegal means Illegal.....what part of that you don't get?.....lol......and Trump Never said that, read his immigration reform proposal.....it makes sense.


what is Hillary's proposal?, more of the same.....Nothing!
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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mass deportations????? if the illegals already here for years REFUSES to obey the laws then the LAW demands DEPORTATION. Either we enforce our laws or we dont have any laws.....lets pick and choose which laws will apply to foreigners in our country.


That's like saying we have a bunch of thieves in the streets but we can't arrest them or enforce the law.




you say you want LAW and Order but refuse to DEPORT any ILLEGAL who refuses to obey our laws.....then you are not for LAW and Order.....what is your punishment for foreigners to break our laws, they can stay?
No they go back but we don't hold them for ransom to go into a fund for the wall. We all know that wont work at all, especially for non-Mexican Latinos who cross the border. We also know that unless we catch them at the border, we would have to question status based on routine traffic stops and/or traditional crime because of racial profiling. So unless we want to tax state and county funds more, it ain't going to happen (and that's besides them having to hand them over to ICE.)

The real problem I see is we don't want to fix the real issues. The real issue is ICE and border patrol agents are over-worked and under resourced. As I stated, the jurisdiction issue is another problem too. We instead spend to increase resources for ICE and the Border Patrol. I've heard no proposals for immigration to do just that from Trump, let alone most candidates when asked on the issue. Trump wants a wall, but illegals can still climb under or over it without better policing.
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:27 AM
 
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No they go back but we don't hold them for ransom to go into a fund for the wall. We all know that wont work at all, especially for non-Mexican Latinos who cross the border. We also know that unless we catch them at the border, we would have to question status based on routine traffic stops and/or traditional crime because of racial profiling. So unless we want to tax state and county funds more, it ain't going to happen (and that's besides them having to hand them over to ICE.)

The real problem I see is we don't want to fix the real issues. The real issue is ICE and border patrol agents are over-worked and under resourced. As I stated, the jurisdiction issue is another problem too. We instead spend to increase resources for ICE and the Border Patrol. I've heard no proposals for immigration to do just that from Trump, let alone most candidates when asked on the issue. Trump wants a wall, but illegals can still climb under or over it without better policing.



again, that your opinion based on nothing......Trump has a proposal and is better than Obama and any previous President have done. Hillary or Bernie don't have a detail proposal.



The Wall will work if done properly......anything is better than the chaos and anarchy now.
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Illegal means Illegal.....what part of that you don't get?.....lol......and Trump Never said that, read his immigration reform proposal.....it makes sense.


what is Hillary's proposal?, more of the same.....Nothing!
I got a link and a few videos about Trump Mexico fine as well as borderline racist comments.
Donald Trump On Immigration Troubles: Fine Mexico $100K For Every Illegal U.S. Border Crossing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGISRf4M7MA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYO8dtPJhM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep5OEZ_se6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8StwstgLxo
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Old 09-08-2015, 12:32 AM
 
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how is proposing a Fine to the Mexican Government for letting their nationals enter our country illegally racist????? you can agree or disagree but how does that makes a person racist when the Government of Mexico is exploiting the situation at the U.S. taxpayers expense.

you know Mexico has a wall in the south of their country.....but they won't built one up North....lol
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