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Old 10-07-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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If the economy falters between now and the next November, it will be interesting to see which candidate will benefit from it. My guess it will help Sanders!

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Old 10-08-2015, 02:22 AM
 
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But as I stated, he Rally was held in Four Freedoms's Park, which I posted an image of as full and Empty, please show me where you or your article proved your point or disproved mine ?
Already done. You simply refuse to believe it.

The point is that Hillary and Co expected huge crowds, in the 10s of thousands, and no more than 5000 showed up. The travel advice link which you didn't address is clear enough on this. Your nonsensical point is that Hillary doesn't draw crowds because she doesn't want them, is disproved.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 03:08 AM
 
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Why aren't people talking about Bernie? Why doesn't the DNC support its front runner?
I think his personality, though very engaging, is ultimately off-putting to people (even subconsciously) because there's an undercurrent of insecurity, uncertainty that goes with all that bravado. I can't quite tell where it's coming from, but it's a kind of daredevil energy that makes me feel he could go off the rails, get too upset, maybe even work himself into a frenzy that could cause illness -- and he isn't quite the champion he thinks.

He comes off like a feral animal, but I think he has a deep sense of the exact and the accurate about him; he just doesn't use it, can't relax, can't really stand back and be objective because I think he takes things very personally tends to lash out -- that kind of sting makes him seem unbalanced. If he could be calmer, more measured, smile more, and stop throwing his arms akimbo, he'd be taken much more seriously.

But I still think there's something within him that he doesn't quite like; I don't think he's as sure of himself as he appears to be. And it translates to his party leaders.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 03:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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He is a democratic socialist, which means he wants to preserve the capitalist system, but makes it work for the middle class and working class.

The general public overwhelmingly support this.
If that's what the general public wants, we should model ourselves after Sweden with their very regressive tax system which yields enough tax revenue to be a highly redistributive society. Look at how what you and many others want is done in Scandinavian countries, the most redistributive:

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NLi..._Labels_.0.jpg

Why that works:
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"There's a reason governments in nations with highly progressive taxes end up spending less to combat inequality — those taxes raise relatively little revenue for both economic and political reasons."
How Sweden fights inequality - without soaking the rich

To reiterate... A progressive tax system provides the government a strong incentive to make the rich even richer because the middle and lower classes yield less tax revenue per dollar. All of the research proves that to be true. The chart linked above makes that very clear.

Different research team, same results:

Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post
 
Old 10-08-2015, 10:20 AM
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Already done. You simply refuse to believe it.

The point is that Hillary and Co expected huge crowds, in the 10s of thousands, and no more than 5000 showed up. ..... Your nonsensical point is that Hillary doesn't draw crowds because she doesn't want them, is disproved.
Waldo, I posted an image of the part both empty, and Full of Clinton supporters. There is no way 10's of thousands of people could fit in that park.

You may have honestly believed the narrative you put forward before you saw the pictures of the park, but it is clear at this point after the facts have been revealed to you that you dont not care about being right or wrong, but simply bashing Hillary Clinton, so in trying to do so, you would rather argue something that has been proven wrong and make yourself look foolish instead of just admitting you were wrong.


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The travel advice link which you didn't address is clear enough on this.

1. You edited your post after I responded to you, dont act like I just skipped over your link and didnt address it.( but keep being dishonest and putting yourself in a bad light)

2. The Travel Advice link you posted, isnt from Hillary Clinton, it is from DU, and it is a thread post just like you are posting here.


here is the original link, which you would have seen if you actually researched what you posted

Travel advice for those going to Hillary's June 13 campaign kickoff on Roosevelt Island - Democratic Underground

And He isnt even claiming 10's of thousands of people were coming, he was just saying that if the trains are full, this is how many people would come.

Again, If you honestly believed that Hillary wanted thousands of people to be at her kick of speech, thats fine, but the fact that the Park at the Island could never hold that many people in the first place should have told you other wise once you saw it.

I have no choice but to believe you are trolling since I have provided you with images of the Park.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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When the U.S. was designed the embrace free-enterprise and capitalism, socialism IS a dirty word. If you don't like it, feel free to leave. Maybe you can meet some refugee friends in Sweden.
It wasnt that long ago that we as a nation, was fighting communism world wide. Sad to see us slowly become what so many have died opposing.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 11:30 AM
 
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If the economy falters between now and the next November, it will be interesting to see which candidate will benefit from it. My guess it will help Sanders!
Well, Obama's poor economy is a huge reason why Sanders has done so well from the get-go.
 
Old 10-08-2015, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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It wasnt that long ago that we as a nation, was fighting communism world wide. Sad to see us slowly become what so many have died opposing.
Eastern Philosophy states: so easy to become what we hate! Hate and love come out of the same energy pool, you can't love someone without simultaneously hating them.

And? What we hate the most in others, we see so much of in ourselves!

Finally, point a finger at someone and you're pointing at least 3 fingers at yourself!

Does that help to explain this phenomena?
 
Old 10-09-2015, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It wasnt that long ago that we as a nation, was fighting communism world wide. Sad to see us slowly become what so many have died opposing.
If you think Bernie Sanders has anything to do with Soviet style communism, you don't know what you are talking about. He has the ideology of a Adlai Stevenson, who was a statesman in the 1950s and 1960s.

Bernie is left of center but far from a radical bomb throwing communist. Google "Democratic Socialist" and you'll get the idea.
 
Old 10-09-2015, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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If the economy falters between now and the next November, it will be interesting to see which candidate will benefit from it. My guess it will help Sanders!
It will be interesting to see, but I really do not have any idea why you think it will help Sanders. In fact it would seem to me it would hurt him. Bad economy, no one is looking for higher taxes or more government spending. At least that is how I see it.
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