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Old 02-02-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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I disagree. This forces Hillary into a position to spend more money beating Sanders and leaves her with that much less for the general election.
In your dreams. This close call raised waaay more $$$ for her than a decisive win would have. She's raking in the donations today!
As is Cruz. I closely follow them on social media. I'm off now to add Rubio to my Twitter, FB, and Snapchat feeds so I can see how his supporters are reacting. I suspect he's getting a huge financial bump also.

 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Austin
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It really depends on how the rounding is worked out, there appears to be slightly over 1400 state delegates, and as you mentioned thousands of precinct delegates. Without knowing the total # and the proportion, the rounding, etc its hard to know the impact. A 6 for 6 is virtually impossible, I certainly agree on that, a 1 or 2 delegate swing on the state level is possible (again no real way of knowing). If the precinct level delegates are released might show a clearer picture. Either way this certainly is extremely tight.
Had those tosses gone differently, Sanders may have edged closer, or even pulled ahead, and it might have been his campaign declaring victory.

Saunders has asked the state party to release the raw vote totals, rather than just the delegate tallies, as he may have won a majority of the votes cast, even if possibly losing the delegate count by coin tosses.

Votes from one precinct in Iowa were still missing Tuesday morning, and Democrats from that neighborhood scrambled to find party officials so that they could report their tally: Bernie Sanders won by 2 delegates over Hillary Clinton.

With Des Moines precinct No. 42's results, Clinton's excruciatingly close lead narrowed further, making the final tally for delegate equivalents in the Democratic Iowa caucuses:

Clinton: 699.57

Sanders: 697.77.

It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa. Sanders backers called for Iowa De
mocratic Party officials to release the raw vote totals.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/sto...nted/79682184/
 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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In your dreams. This close call raised waaay more $$$ for her than a decisive win would have. She's raking in the donations today!
As is Cruz. I closely follow them on social media. I'm off now to add Rubio to my Twitter, FB, and Snapchat feeds so I can see how his supporters are reacting. I suspect he's getting a huge financial bump also.
She is raising more, but she will have to spend more as well. Also, she will have to oversaturate media with ads in an environment where people are already familiar with/tired of her. It will probably get to the point of delivering diminishing returns.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Look, this is pretty much a pattern that happens every single time in early primary polling. A lot of the voting populace in the early states just doesn't pay attention to the primary election until a few weeks before its time to vote. They have not spent all summer mulling it over. They have been living their lives and they don't even think about it until they have to. There is nothing novel about this, it happens every time.
The weekend before they voted they were still undecided.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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Saunders has asked the state party to release the raw vote totals, rather than just the delegate tallies, as he may have won a majority of the votes cast, even if possibly losing the delegate count by coin tosses.
I suspect he did get more raw votes, since his voters were mostly clustered in large urban precincts. The coin tosses would be irrelevant in that scenario since he would have had sizable majorities in those few precincts, no coin flip necessary.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:28 AM
 
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Christie going after Rubio with a vengeance. 'Boy in the bubble' lol
 
Old 02-02-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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that's how it works - brokered convention here we come....btw, I'm sure Trumpf is saying "get me out of this God forsaken state". He talked up Iowa, but every one knows that it's a flyover state. Anybody who has been there knows its a boring place.
I happen to like rural states. I enjoy photographing rural scenery. That doesn't mean I want them to be winnowing the candidates every 4 years or have good qualified people like the business people and the governors, spend all of their money for a few paltry delegates or elimination.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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Seems the media is no longer enamored with Trump, now it's Rubio.
I think the media needs to give each candidate equal time and bore the heck out of all of us!

Seriously, Trump has gotten so much free advertising that he hasn't had to spend any money on ads. It's as if he's had his own reality show on running for president. I think he did well in Iowa, considering Cruz was projected to be the winner a long time ago, but maybe not showing up for the last debate was a bad idea.

In any case, the media has a big influence on elections, which is unfortunate but true.
 
Old 02-02-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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It appears Hillary WON BY FLIP OF COIN!
Not kidding.
It has been reported 6 caucus sites were tied and settled by Statute with coin flip!
She won all 6!

What a miracle.

Did she provide the coins for the flips?
There have been numerous posts about this. I wrote 2 or 3 early this morning. Yes, there were coin flips that could have gone either way. It's customary in many elections to flip a coin when candidates are tied. In the end, I doubt if it will make any difference.

I'm not sure how many she won. Some newspaper articles say 1, some say 3 and some say 5. I wrote in another post that I sat at a roulette table for a long time and over a dozen consecutive red numbers came up when I was betting on black. Those odds are a little worse because of the zero and double zero which are green, although I haven't been to a casino in many years. Anyway, a coin flip is 50-50 so it could have gone either way. It's not unusual for even 10 or 20 flips to be the same, that is, heads or tails. I think the process is silly, but it's more common than people think. I already posted some links about this.

By the way, if anyone thinks Hillary has magical powers and can telepathically flip a coin from miles away, then they are either delusional or believe she can perform miracles, which would actually make her a great president, since that's what this country needs!
 
Old 02-02-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Out of Cruz, Trump and Rubio who spent more money and time in IOWA since they announced their run to the presidency?


Answer: Cruz, that's why they were bringing all the big guns from the conservative side like Glenn Beck and others campaigning in Iowa for Cruz since last week because Cruz couldn't come second to Trump in Iowa, it would have been over for him.


but looking at the delegate count which is how a candidate wins the nomination, Cruz only has 1 delegate more than Trump after Iowa.....so I can't really call him the clear winner. That has to be frustrating that Cruz spent all this money and time in Iowa and he was always the favorite since day 1 and he only gets a 1 delegate advantage? OUCH!


1,237 needed for nomination .......Cruz 8, Trump 7, Rubio 7..........Iowa 27 delegates is NOT even 0.5 % of the 1,237 needed to win.

I never understood why the media makes a big deal over Iowa. I can understand candidates participating for the media coverage but for the main goal of delegates to win the nomination, I dont see any advantage.


You could lose Iowa and make up for it easily in N..H. or South Carolina and then more on delegates where it counts.
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