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Old 01-11-2016, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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Trump must feel threatened by Cruz.

Trump says Democrats would attack Cruz on citizenship | MSNBC
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Old 01-11-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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He says that, but Trump appears well on his way towards exhausting the issue during the primary season. As distasteful and unfair as this clearly is, the Democrats would attack this in the general. So as counter-intuitive as it may seem, Trump is actually helping Cruz out by enabling him to work this out now.
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Old 01-11-2016, 08:35 AM
 
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This is an excuse not to do anything. Are you questioning the tactics or the idea? Don't worry about the tactics. Bureaucrats can come up with how to do it. IRS does it all the time, "dragging" people in to audit them. I don't see you protesting them.

You're right and legal or citizen Hispanics would have a valid ID or be able to produce one if they had to. He is just another pro-illegal trying to play the victim card for Hispanics.
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Old 01-11-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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If you can't deport the 20 million now, you can stop the next 20 million later, although you don't seem to have a problem with either. In fact your relishing it. Why, I have no idea.

As I said, the person you are replying to is pro-illegal and if memory serves me right he is Hispanic himself so now you have an idea why he protests the deportation of illegal aliens. There is no need to round illegals all up and to deport them. Remove all of the incentives for them to remain here and many if not most will leave on their own. He is loving the changing demographics and it is mostly due to illegal immigration from south of our border. It is neither natural or lawful change but he doesn't care about that.
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Old 01-11-2016, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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He says that, but Trump appears well on his way towards exhausting the issue during the primary season. As distasteful and unfair as this clearly is, the Democrats would attack this in the general. So as counter-intuitive as it may seem, Trump is actually helping Cruz out by enabling him to work this out now.
well stated
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Old 01-11-2016, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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How do you deport 20 million people "now"? From a logistical perspective, how do you identify and "round up" these people? Here are a few questions to help you think this through a little bit:
  1. How will these people be targeted?
  2. How will these people's status as illegal immigrants be confirmed?
  3. How will they be located?
  4. Will they be immediately taken into custody?
  5. If so, where will they and their families be incarcerated while waiting for their cases to be evaluated?
  6. Who will "round up" these people and under what existing statute?
  7. How many people would have to be hired to accomplish these tasks?
  8. What would their methods be?
  9. Who will train them?
  10. What additional legislation and funding would be needed?
  11. How much legislative support will there be for this horror show?
  12. What will it cost and is that sort of funding realistically attainable for this?
  13. What sort of risks, problems and unforeseen consequences might this cause?
  14. What sort of international relations implications does this have?
  15. What sort of opposition can this be expected to receive?
  16. What sort of court challenges will this face?
  17. Will the American people support it at the outset?
  18. What will the sustained media campaign against this look like and how effective would it be?
  19. Even if they people do initially support this, how long would that support continue?
  20. Would this actually achieve the objectives that Trump implies that it would?
Suffice it to say, on this issue Donald Trump is completely and totally FOS. And his supporters are not very smart for having failed to have ask him these questions themselves.
This is all the answer you are going to get to these perfectly valid questions:

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You're right and legal or citizen Hispanics would have a valid ID or be able to produce one if they had to. He is just another pro-illegal trying to play the victim card for Hispanics.
Anyone who reasonably questions the how's of Trump's mantra is written off as being "pro-illegal."
I guess they really believe that he can snap his fingers or click his heels together and make it so.
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Old 01-11-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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" Cruz rules out 'deportation force' to boot illegal aliens "

I would have left the "how" on the table. A little fear of the unknown might keep some from coming here and send a few packing.
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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This is all the answer you are going to get to these perfectly valid questions:



Anyone who reasonably questions the how's of Trump's mantra is written off as being "pro-illegal."
I guess they really believe that he can snap his fingers or click his heels together and make it so.

That's because those who were outraged over his plan were bleeding heart liberals and ethnocentrics and they don't want illegals deported, period. They don't even want the better solution which is to remove the incentives for illegals to remain here which Romney proposed and was met with opposition by these same people. Their agenda has always been clear.
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Old 01-11-2016, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Cruz constantly dodges the question. He wants to talk about building the wall and e-verify. E-verify won't get those working under the table and will miss some that are using stolen citizen identities of which there are many. It won't pick up those living off the public assistance brought in by their anchor babies and I didn't hear Cruz say anything about getting illegals out of Section 8 housing meant for citizens either.

Despite how hard they press him on deporting illegal immigrants with anchors, he would not answer. He kept trying to bring up ISIS, etc. as more important. How many seconds would it take to answer that question? He is deceitful and not to be trusted.

I went to his website which he keeps bragging about having info and it is the double talk. He doesn't seem to consider all illegal aliens as criminals so you have to watch that because he is only talking about the ones that have committed additional crimes on top of entering the US without authorization which made them a criminal from Day 1.

On E-Verify: This will only be required of federal contractors and sub-contractors. I thought that was already the rule. Oh, big deal! And, he is going to make using e-verify for private businesses effortless but it already is per the website established for that purpose. Gosh, does he even have a clue about this?

That pretty much sums it up.
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