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Old 01-18-2016, 03:40 AM
 
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I don't think that plan is detailed enough to make a full assessment, but Bernie Sanders wrote the Affordable Care Act and that thing is a mess. It was a move in the wrong direction. I'm not optimistic given what has been presented.

 
Old 01-18-2016, 03:57 AM
 
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Predictable from a socialist.

Not many doctors take Medicare/Medicaid patients.

Plan is doomed from inception. Not to mention how do you pay for it?
 
Old 01-18-2016, 05:03 AM
 
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I don't think that plan is detailed enough to make a full assessment, but Bernie Sanders wrote the Affordable Care Act and that thing is a mess. It was a move in the wrong direction. I'm not optimistic given what has been presented.
No he didn't.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 05:04 AM
 
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Predictable from a socialist.

Not many doctors take Medicare/Medicaid patients.

Plan is doomed from inception. Not to mention how do you pay for it?
Same way we are paying for the wars?
 
Old 01-18-2016, 05:28 AM
 
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It's about time the United States joins the modern world.

Healthcare and education for all!
That'll only happen if we institute a 25% VAT and tax the middle class at the highest marginal rate like "the modern world."

Would you agree to pay all those extra taxes to get what you want?
 
Old 01-18-2016, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Bernie is the ONLY one up there I believe and trust. He's honest, been singing the same song for 40 years, and calls Clinton out on taking the money from everyone. I'm over Wall Street, big banks, lobbyists, etc. If this make me a democratic socialist, so be it, titles mean nothing to me. Maybe I'll finally get something for the 40K I pay in taxes.
And there you have it.

I think many/most people are willing to pay more taxes, *as long as they receive a tangible benefit*. We're all paying for our own and other people's health care anyway, the question is whether we get a better deal by paying for it with taxes or by paying premiums to private companies. Most developed nations have found that taxes is the better route.

Note - if you think that you pay for only your own health care when you pay premiums to an insurance company - you don't understand insurance.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 05:40 AM
 
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Good. I always chuckle when the "America is #1, America can do anything!" crowd suddenly turn around and deny that a legitimate universal healthcare system is conceivable.
Sure, it's conceivable. But it would require implementing a 25% VAT tax, and applying the highest marginal income tax rate to the middle class like the countries with national healthcare do.

Do you think Americans are willing to pay all that extra in taxes for national health care?
 
Old 01-18-2016, 05:56 AM
 
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Sure, it's conceivable. But it would require implementing a 25% VAT tax, and applying the highest marginal income tax rate to the middle class like the countries with national healthcare do.

Do you think Americans are willing to pay all that extra in taxes for national health care?
Why is it that we have to pay for it when we aren't paying for the wars?
 
Old 01-18-2016, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Predictable from a socialist.

Not many doctors take Medicare/Medicaid patients.

Plan is doomed from inception. Not to mention how do you pay for it?
Actually, most doctors take Medicare. Its Medicaid thats the issue, their rates are way below Medicare and private health insurance.
 
Old 01-18-2016, 06:06 AM
 
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Why is it that we have to pay for it when we aren't paying for the wars?
Aren't you the one who insists printing money out of nothing (increasing accrual of national debt, the $2 Trillion bailout of Fannie and Freddie, etc.) is a defacto tax?
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