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Old 02-14-2016, 04:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Old Gringo View Post
That Sept 14, 2001 vote wasn't the one to invade Iraq.

Just FYI, what you're looking for is the Iraq Resolution.

House Vote:

Pub: 215 yay 6 nay

Dem: 82 yay 126 nay

Senate Vote:

Pub: 48 yay 1 nay

Dem: 29 yay 21 nay

Summary:

Pub: 263 for, 7 against

Dem: 111 for, 147 against


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution


Always glad to unfog a confused poster.


Sorry, you are the one fogged, please read, if you can.....

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9/14/2001--Passed House without amendment.
Authorization for Use of Military Force - Authorizes the President to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations, or persons.States that this Act is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of the War Powers Resolution.
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:40 PM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 22 days ago)
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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I've voted for every Republican candidate since 1980 and I have never voted for a Democrat in my life. If you're the new face of the Republican Party- and I pray you are not - then the Republican Party has deserted its base. I won't be part of a truther/ birther group.
And if the Republican party can only represent religious conservatives, pro life, pro gun and has no room for anyone who moderates away from these position then I will have to find another party. I have never voted for a Democrat either but with the trend this party is taking I will need to take a second look at other choices.
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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It's time to start putting normal Americans in the audiences of these debates
instead of beltway insiders. That crowd was packed with defense contractors,
pharmaceutical lobbyists and other self-interest groups. I noticed one man
clapping and yelling at the top of his lungs when Bush said "Putin will never
be a friend of the United States"... well when I rewinded I saw that man
was none other than Lindsey Graham. Trump is 100% correct about the
makeup of these audiences
and 100% correct about the disgusting failure
of the George W. Bush administration which did not keep America safe
and did not advance American interests overseas. I do not want World War 3.
Trump is the only candidate who understands Russia is not our natural enemy
and he is also the only candidate with the courage to understand that the
political establishment and the media have been lying to us for too long.
Excellent Post
It shows how fraudulent the process is

Of course, just like the media is controlled and spins lies.
The game is rigged. Trump is exposing this bs
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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Trump is exposing this bs
Yes, he is. But even Donald J. Trump can only go so far in expressing
his true viewpoints. I'm sure there are more than a few "tidbits" he
is certain of, but not expressing because the people aren't ready to
accept the truth.
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Old 02-14-2016, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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And if the Republican party can only represent religious conservatives, pro life, pro gun and has no room for anyone who moderates away from these position then I will have to find another party. I have never voted for a Democrat either but with the trend this party is taking I will need to take a second look at other choices.
If you are none of the above, exactly what is it that makes you a Republican?

And if you've never worked on a campaign, exactly what is it that makes you think you're part of the party's base?
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:09 PM
Status: "Let this year be over..." (set 22 days ago)
 
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If you are none of the above, exactly what is it that makes you a Republican?

And if you've never worked on a campaign, exactly what is it that makes you think you're part of the party's base?
Because when I started voting you didn't have to be one of the above categories, more importantly you didn't have to pass some kind of litmus test to be a member. I served in the military for 20 years and for most of my career my beliefs and job were better represented by this party but at some point this hard right ideology has become the speaking point with less and less allowance for any type of moderation.

Are they the "parties base" or do they just yell the loudest? The extreme's of both parties (left & right) make it hard for people to support positions and the my way or the highway rhetoric is about as unproductive as it comes.
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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Because when I started voting you didn't have to be one of the above categories, more importantly you didn't have to pass some kind of litmus test to be a member. I served in the military for 20 years and for most of my career my beliefs and job were better represented by this party but at some point this hard right ideology has become the speaking point with less and less allowance for any type of moderation.

Are they the "parties base" or do they just yell the loudest? The extreme's of both parties (left & right) make it hard for people to support positions and the my way or the highway rhetoric is about as unproductive as it comes.
I still don't understand what makes you a Republican and not a Democrat.
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Trump is correct to say that George W. Bush did not keep us safe. Ask the 3,000 who died on 9/11 if George W. Bush kept them safe.
It goes back to Clinton rather than Bush. However blaming a Democrat has no barring on the flock of Republicans on the stage. JEB!'s brother was in the White House so he is the scapegoat just as Obama is for the economy which in ways goes back to Carter (home owning) and Clinton (bank legislation) as well as JEB!'s brother. But Trump does what he does best, not let facts get in the way of a good story. Just how successful is Atlantic City Trump casinos Donald?
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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And if the Republican party can only represent religious conservatives, pro life, pro gun and has no room for anyone who moderates away from these position then I will have to find another party. I have never voted for a Democrat either but with the trend this party is taking I will need to take a second look at other choices.
Probably like Trump is stating "Common sense Conservatives" which sounds good to me.

In real estate we often say "common sense is not too common anymore".
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Old 02-14-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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Yes, he is. But even Donald J. Trump can only go so far in expressing
his true viewpoints. I'm sure there are more than a few "tidbits" he
is certain of, but not expressing because the people aren't ready to
accept the truth.
I would like Trump to lay it all out on the get togethers our politicians and corporations have done behind our backs at meetings with the Council on Foreign Relations and the Bilderberg Group.

Also, the think tanks like the Brookings Institution should be exposed for a lot of the engineering they do to steer the public in the direction the top wealthy and politicians want us to go.
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