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Old 02-24-2016, 08:41 PM
 
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There could be a thousand links that all say the same thing, that doesn't change the key word....."allegedly."
Do you know what that word means? Also, this link has nothing to do with "OPEN BORDERS."
Did you even read the latest link? Of course not.
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That's not the answer. That would just mean they would continue to compete for jobs against Americans only legally then. We already have a shortage of jobs and resources. Why reward criminal behavior anyway?
These would be people that would then be equally protected under the law, required to make at least minimum wage, but generally at least competitive with the rates of their industries, unionize for better wages and benefits. Hell, maybe they'll start a successful business and hire people?

Their employers would have to finally COMPETE or go out of business altogether. Having access to better wages and benefits is only a benefit to everyone.

As far as "criminal behavior". Most of the guys I've talked to aren't just a bunch of @ssholes tryin' to get one over on us. The stories they tell me about cartels, and crooked police, kidnappings, and murdered family members are enough reason for most to get out of dodge. If you show up to work every day, and put in a strong effort of always improving, you're pretty okay in my book. I'm not going to turn on another toiler, those are divisive tactics that let those far ahead, keep their lead.

I hope for the sake of your argument you have never broken a law that you didn't caught or pay a penalty for.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:31 PM
 
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Did you even read the latest link? Of course not.
Did you read your own link? He wasn't talking about "open borders," but I am sure you never got past the headline of your own line.
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Old 02-25-2016, 09:17 AM
 
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These would be people that would then be equally protected under the law, required to make at least minimum wage, but generally at least competitive with the rates of their industries, unionize for better wages and benefits. Hell, maybe they'll start a successful business and hire people?

Their employers would have to finally COMPETE or go out of business altogether. Having access to better wages and benefits is only a benefit to everyone.

As far as "criminal behavior". Most of the guys I've talked to aren't just a bunch of @ssholes tryin' to get one over on us. The stories they tell me about cartels, and crooked police, kidnappings, and murdered family members are enough reason for most to get out of dodge. If you show up to work every day, and put in a strong effort of always improving, you're pretty okay in my book. I'm not going to turn on another toiler, those are divisive tactics that let those far ahead, keep their lead.

I hope for the sake of your argument you have never broken a law that you didn't caught or pay a penalty for.

The fact is the more workers there are in the labor pool the fewer jobs there will be for everyone. That's simple math. We don't need competition from foreigners as we have a job shortage already. Even if they started a business of their own they would more than likely hire their own ethnic group. The more people in this country the more demands there are on our social and natural resources also.


Most of these illegals aren't escaping the drug cartels, etc. They are merely here for economic gain at the expense of the American worker/taxpayer. It isn't criminal behavior to steal someone's ID or have a fake one to work? It's not criminal behavior to work for cash and evade taxes? Really? They live a life of lies and law breaking.


If I break the law I expect justice to prevail and the punishment should fit the crime. I don't expect to be rewarded for it as illegal aliens do.
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Old 02-25-2016, 11:16 AM
 
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Did you read your own link? He wasn't talking about "open borders," but I am sure you never got past the headline of your own line.
Of course I read my own link

Why do you defend Bernie so vigorously to the point that you are in denial about what he wants to do?
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:40 PM
 
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Of course I read my own link

Why do you defend Bernie so vigorously to the point that you are in denial about what he wants to do?
Tell me where in your link he said he is for "open borders."
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Old 02-25-2016, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The fact is the more workers there are in the labor pool the fewer jobs there will be for everyone. That's simple math. We don't need competition from foreigners as we have a job shortage already. Even if they started a business of their own they would more than likely hire their own ethnic group. The more people in this country the more demands there are on our social and natural resources also.


Most of these illegals aren't escaping the drug cartels, etc. They are merely here for economic gain at the expense of the American worker/taxpayer. It isn't criminal behavior to steal someone's ID or have a fake one to work? It's not criminal behavior to work for cash and evade taxes? Really? They live a life of lies and law breaking.


If I break the law I expect justice to prevail and the punishment should fit the crime. I don't expect to be rewarded for it as illegal aliens do.
Sure, they're here just to d*ck you over and they laugh all the way to the bank. Good luck rounding them up buddy, it's going to be as big a failure as the war on drugs.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:07 PM
 
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Sure, they're here just to d*ck you over and they laugh all the way to the bank. Good luck rounding them up buddy, it's going to be as big a failure as the war on drugs.

Whether or not that's their intention that is the result of them being here but most of them do know and don't give a damn anyway and that's why they are laughing all the way to the bank. I'm not your buddy and if you had read some of my other posts you would know that I am not for "rounding them all up". I am for removing all of the incentives for them to remain here. Many if not most will leave on their own with no means to support themselves.
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