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Old 04-04-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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Bernie in some ways is a man after my own heart because he , unlike the pet in cage Obama administration, actually wants to go after bankers after 8 years.

However my problem is he doesn't seem too bright.

There are two parallel examples that show his free education folly.


During the Abolitionist movement one of the problems of freeing slaves was that human bondage was capitalized. It was stored wealth and as such could even be secured to secure debt. So even a bleeding heart who wanted to end slavery is going to have a hard time destroying his capital especially if its pledged to a debt. The solution was for the state to buy out the slaves as far as the British Empire in the West Indies.

As of now a degree, especially a PHD, is now a capitalized investment. Why hasn't Bernie or any of his people not calculated the young adults who should be his strong suit. A 32 year old who has just paid off his student debt isn't going to be very happy to see free education anymore than someone who just planted barely and hops see a da guberment sponsored public free beer program. A 100k PHD seeing a crop of free PHD enter his market? It will de-capitalized the investment. Why is it a simple ******* like me can make this historical and economic analysis but not him or anyone on his staff?


A modern example was NCE , aka Novell Certified Engineer. It was a well respected certification and people generally knew what they were doing. However Bill Gates also knew what he was doing. He flooded the market with Microsoft Certified Engineers. They hardly knew what they were doing, but by then, Bill had the market. It was excellent predatory debasement. Wonder Bill collected on the face value Novell had build up while at the same he printed up a fiat representation to capitalize himself and then de-capitalize Novell. He must know some bankers.....

However in that case one must be in the vast minority of the exploited.

That's the problem with socialists. They suck at economics.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: On the Edge of the Fringe
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Bernie in some ways is a man after my own heart because he , unlike the pet in cage Obama administration, actually wants to go after bankers after 8 years.

However my problem is he doesn't seem too bright.

That's the problem with socialists. They suck at economics.
I have been saying that about socialists for 2.6 decades now.
On this forum, such commentary gets only hate responses.

I think many who frequent this forum are reactionary., uneducated (or unintelligent) and maybe underemployed which leaves them time tovent their angst on the politics threads.

Sanders is trying to capitalize on anger.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Sanders is 'capitalizing' on youthful idealism, lazy opportunists, and the very ignorant...sounds like a formula for success in today's America. His supporters will steer the country to the left but I expect it to be a slow and painful process.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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I have been saying that about socialists for 2.6 decades now.
On this forum, such commentary gets only hate responses.

I think many who frequent this forum are reactionary., uneducated (or unintelligent) and maybe underemployed which leaves them time tovent their angst on the politics threads.

Sanders is trying to capitalize on anger.
Everyone I know who is a Bernie supporter fits two of these three categories:
  • Unemployed (and unmotivated) or a full time student
  • Expect people to give them stuff for free (ie they tip 5% or less when they go out to eat, or order delivery)
  • Get the majority of their news from social networking and Comedy Central

And one thing I notice about them all, they love to complain and they'll often call businesses to complain about perfectly fine service. It's kind of an expansion on point number 2 above, but they'll do things like yell and complain if they feel that their service is too slow, in the hope of getting something for free (ie conning the business) or getting staff fired. They tend to have little respect for people in service industry jobs, probably because most of them have little experience working real jobs. Just a personal observation.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:38 PM
 
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He would be rendered ineffectual if he were to be elected. Like Trump, many of their ill-informed ideas would go nowhere as they are only 1/3 of our Government. In the case of economics - that will need to pass thru the Legislative branch.
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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He would be rendered ineffectual if he were to be elected. Like Trump, many of their ill-informed ideas would go nowhere as they are only 1/3 of our Government. In the case of economics - that will need to pass thru the Legislative branch.
Glad I'm not the only one that understand 6th grade Civics. All of the Presidential candidates are promising a bunch of crap they have no ability to enact. That's why Obama has been ineffective, as would Sanders or Trump enacting their promises (lies).
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Old 04-04-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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Let's tax the 1% for 99% of their income! Oh crap, they left the country.

Let's do it to the next group! Oh crap, they left too.

Let's tax the next 1%! Wait what, that's MY group? Hmmm, where can I immigrate?
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:17 PM
 
Location: louisville
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My first presidential vote was 92, for Clinton, who advocated school assistance. I was in tech school for the Air Force and cast an absentee ballot.

I learned my lesson
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:17 PM
 
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He never said education would be free. You need to start with a factual position to create a valid argument.
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Old 04-04-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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Public universities are like public high school was 50 years ago when the OP graduated. A college education is as necessary as a high school education was 50 years ago, and public high school has been tuition free for 100 years+.

If we want to compete in the global economy, it is essential that everyone with the ability get the chance to get the education they need, regardless of their income. Tuition free public universities will only cost $70 billion while the war of choice, Iraq, cost 50 times that amount. 50 times! For what?

A better educated population is a population which pays more taxes and do better in society so they dont have to be dependent on welfare.
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