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Old 05-05-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Cash for clunkers, $1T stimulus bill, hundreds of billions on welfare, $100 billion + on illegals yearly....

you guys LOVE spending and deficits.. dont pretend otherwise...
I love it. Why was the stimulus necessary in the first place? Oh, yeah, GWB brought us to the brink of a worldwide financial meltdown. It wasn't a recession, it was the Great Recession. Many economists (including the prominent dude at Princeton, whose name escapes me now) have said that the stimulus was absolutely necessary to avert the Great Depression 2.0.

Just remember how disastrous the situation was when GWB left office . . . >10% unemployment, Lehman Bros and Merrill Lynch evaporating overnight (which nobody would have said was remotely possible), defaults and layoffs everywhere. Republicans didn't have any better ideas, and it was emergent . . . they just criticize after the fact; that's all they ever do; no solutions whatsoever. It's kinda like when the firefighters come to your house to put out engulfing flame, and you complain that they got your stuffie Teddy Bear all wet and they could have shown up at your house 2 minutes faster.

Also, GWB was a compassionate fellow who did nothing about immigration, in part thanks for his affinity for his sister-in-law from Mexico. Understandable. And of course, the ripple effect from Reagan's amnesty for 3.2 million people magnified and contributed greatly to today's 11 million illegals.

Please.

Mick
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:18 PM
 
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In the past 25 years, America was clearly the most prosperous when the Clintons were in the White House.

Oh, I agree. If you didn't make hay while the sun shined in the '90's it was a long struggle for you. The past 16 years have been abysmal for anyone not in the 1%...
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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In the past 25 years, America was clearly the most prosperous when the Clintons were in the White House.

Sure. Reagan ended the Cold War and the end of war benefit occurred during the Clinton years.

It was Clinton's NAFTA, Banking Deregulation, and other excesses that brought us the economic calamity of the 2000s and now early 2010s.

Hillary wants to bring us more globalization, more "trade deals" and more of the same.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:30 PM
 
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In the past 25 years, America was clearly the most prosperous when the Clintons were in the White House.

That's a lot like the Republicans trying to make people believe they are like Ronald Reagan because they say so. Times change and there is no going back. What Hellary is proposing is a toxic brew of continuing destruction to a free independent nation. The job killing open borders globalist who will raise taxes to pay for infrastructure and has no plan or clue how to bring jobs back into the country. Putting people to work by raising taxes to pay wages and profits is not a long term strategy that will take the country into a prosperous future. Just look at the way she spends money in her campaign and you will have an idea of her incompetence on economic issues.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:31 PM
 
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While Clinton was indeed the one who signed the NAFTA bill into law, NAFTA was first proposed going back to 1990 and President George H.W. Bush.

North American Free Trade Agreement

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1990 among the three nations, U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed the agreement in their respective capitals on December 17, 1992.

In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the signing prior to the end of his term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and signing of the implementation law to incoming president Bill Clinton.

It's funny that people who blame the democrats or Clinton for NAFTA, when Bush, a republican, came up with it and wanted so much to sign it into law before he left office!
Yes but Bill signed it. I know this argument keeps coming back to Bush, those who are in the blame Bush camp, but he didn't have to do it. Same with the withdrawal from IRAQ, Obama's camp said he followed what Bush had but if you read more into it, he didn't fight hard NOT too.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:33 PM
 
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Actually Obama "stepped into a perfect catatonic state" and amazingly has stayed that way for almost 8 years.
More and more I read through some of these threads, these sorts of comments, and all that comes to mind anymore is this explanation as to why the same folks just keep repeating themselves like broken records, no matter the facts, reason or logic...

My Cement Theory.

Sorry, but I just know of no other explanation for how we all see the same thing(s) so differently and with such different understanding, with no alteration of opinion whatsoever, on anything! All always begging the same question. Why bother exchanging opinion?

Is there any other explanation?
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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In the past 25 years, America was clearly the most prosperous when the Clintons were in the White House.

That's a lot like the Republicans trying to make people believe they are like Ronald Reagan because they say so. Times change and there is no going back. What Hellary is proposing is a toxic brew of continuing destruction to a free independent nation. The job killing open borders globalist who will raise taxes to pay for infrastructure and has no plan or clue how to bring jobs back into the country. Putting people to work by raising taxes to pay wages and profits is not a long term strategy that will take the country into a prosperous future. Just look at the way she spends money in her campaign and you will have an idea of her incompetence on economic issues.
Not a long-term strategy? Raising wages and higher taxes sure worked in the late 1930s to the early 1970s.

BTW, we heard those complaints from the usual suspects about Obama and what did we get? 97 months of straight job growth; lower unemployment than under Reagan and solid low-inflation GDP growth.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Not a long-term strategy? Raising wages and higher taxes sure worked in the late 1930s to the early 1970s.

BTW, we heard those complaints from the usual suspects about Obama and what did we get? 97 months of straight job growth; lower unemployment than under Reagan and solid low-inflation GDP growth.
You forget .5 GDP growth, almost zero interest. Fed is also entertain negative interest rate. Even Janet Yellen said we need more fiscal growth, she can only do so much.
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Old 05-05-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Oh, this pro-Clinton threads are just hilarious. I don't understand how people can be so uninformed. Do they just read liberal headlines? Maybe read from a script? Well, I am not sure how much is actually worth addressing since after all, it is just hilarious to think anyone would fall for it!

Most of us know the Clintons inside and out thus our lack of support.
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Old 05-05-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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You forget .5 GDP growth, almost zero interest. Fed is also entertain negative interest rate. Even Janet Yellen said we need more fiscal growth, she can only do so much.
As you can see from the below graph, GDP growth has been far more than .5%. There is no reason that interest rates need to be higher, considering that inflation expectations are low.

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