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Old 02-14-2008, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Dallas Texas
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You know why they call Bill "Bill", and they call Hillary "Hillary"?????....Because they're not the same person!

It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president. He was a fiscal conservative who left us with a budget surplus. Yes, times were good under Bill, and alot of us middle class people lived fairly affluently in the 90's.

However....for the love of God people...HILLARY IS NOT BILL!

Yes, we all know they are a "political team", but many of her ideas are very different from his, particularly when it comes to spending. She's not going to do things exactly as Bill would do things, because she's not nearly as financially conservative as he was. Nor does she have the gift of being able to influence people and bring them together like Bill did.

Additionally, even if Bill does play puppet master to Hillary, this doesn't mean we're going to repeat the booming 1990's all over again. Folk's it just doesn't work that way...this is a whole new era, with a whole new set of problems, and a different set of circumstances.

So with that said, what has Hillary, herself, accomplished that makes her a good candidate for president?
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Here
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You know why they call Bill "Bill", and they call Hillary "Hillary"?????....Because they're not the same person!

It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president....
Sorry, I stopped reading right there.
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Old 02-14-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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You know why they call Bill "Bill", and they call Hillary "Hillary"?????....Because they're not the same person!

It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president. He was a fiscal conservative who left us with a budget surplus. Yes, times were good under Bill, and alot of us middle class people lived fairly affluently in the 90's.

However....for the love of God people...HILLARY IS NOT BILL!

Yes, we all know they are a "political team", but many of her ideas are very different from his, particularly when it comes to spending. She's not going to do things exactly as Bill would do things, because she's not nearly as financially conservative as he was. Nor does she have the gift of being able to influence people and bring them together like Bill did.

Additionally, even if Bill does play puppet master to Hillary, this doesn't mean we're going to repeat the booming 1990's all over again. Folk's it just doesn't work that way...this is a whole new era, with a whole new set of problems, and a different set of circumstances.

So with that said, what has Hillary, herself, accomplished that makes her a good candidate for president?
Interesting post. I agree Mrs. Clinton is her own person and should be judged on her own merits rather than those of her husband. Yet, a number of Obama supporters are quick to judge and punish Mrs. Clinton for her husband's mistakes/shortcomings during his administration. You can't have it both ways. So, which is it? If she is to be viewed as an individual, then that needs to be case the consistently.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:37 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You know why they call Bill "Bill", and they call Hillary "Hillary"?????....Because they're not the same person!

It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president. He was a fiscal conservative who left us with a budget surplus. Yes, times were good under Bill, and alot of us middle class people lived fairly affluently in the 90's.

However....for the love of God people...HILLARY IS NOT BILL!

Yes, we all know they are a "political team", but many of her ideas are very different from his, particularly when it comes to spending. She's not going to do things exactly as Bill would do things, because she's not nearly as financially conservative as he was. Nor does she have the gift of being able to influence people and bring them together like Bill did.

Additionally, even if Bill does play puppet master to Hillary, this doesn't mean we're going to repeat the booming 1990's all over again. Folk's it just doesn't work that way...this is a whole new era, with a whole new set of problems, and a different set of circumstances.

So with that said, what has Hillary, herself, accomplished that makes her a good candidate for president?
Hillary hasn't accomplished much of note. Bill Clinton's reputation is vastly overrated. He benefitted enormously from the emergence of the Internet and the subsequent dot com boom. These monumental events coincided with his presidency but they didn't come about because of him. He didn't facilitate their creation. He and Hillary really need to disappear.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:06 PM
 
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Bill Clinton's reputation is vastly overrated. He benefitted enormously from the emergence of the Internet and the subsequent dot com boom. These monumental events coincided with his presidency but they didn't come about because of him. He didn't facilitate their creation. He and Hillary really need to disappear.
You're right. The credit goes to Al Gore for inventing the internet.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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You're right. The credit goes to Al Gore for inventing the internet.
As if it's not enough to attack the Clintons, now Al Gore is being mocked too? The notion that Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet has already debunked. One source is below, but if you Google it, there's plenty of information out there.

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Al Gore Invented the Internet

Also, can someone please explain to me why so many Obama supporters sound exactly like right-wing Republicans when attacking Clinton? I am so tired of posts here and elsewhere that are entirely negative and say nothing of substance. I would really love to see a thread in which supporters from both sides have an intelligent debate that focuses on the issues. Is that too much to ask?
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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You know why they call Bill "Bill", and they call Hillary "Hillary"?????....Because they're not the same person!

It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president. He was a fiscal conservative who left us with a budget surplus. Yes, times were good under Bill, and alot of us middle class people lived fairly affluently in the 90's.

However....for the love of God people...HILLARY IS NOT BILL!

Yes, we all know they are a "political team", but many of her ideas are very different from his, particularly when it comes to spending. She's not going to do things exactly as Bill would do things, because she's not nearly as financially conservative as he was. Nor does she have the gift of being able to influence people and bring them together like Bill did.

Additionally, even if Bill does play puppet master to Hillary, this doesn't mean we're going to repeat the booming 1990's all over again. Folk's it just doesn't work that way...this is a whole new era, with a whole new set of problems, and a different set of circumstances.

So with that said, what has Hillary, herself, accomplished that makes her a good candidate for president?
She can run to her husband for EXPERT advice on what it's like to be president.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:24 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president....
Sorry, I stopped reading right there.
Me too!

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So with that said, what has Hillary, herself, accomplished that makes her a good candidate for president?
Nothing.
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:41 PM
 
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You know why they call Bill "Bill", and they call Hillary "Hillary"?????....Because they're not the same person!

It's seems like every Hillary supporter I encounter supports her because of what Bill accomplished, not for what she has accomplished. Yes, Bill was a great president. He was a fiscal conservative who left us with a budget surplus. Yes, times were good under Bill, and alot of us middle class people lived fairly affluently in the 90's.

However....for the love of God people...HILLARY IS NOT BILL!

Yes, we all know they are a "political team", but many of her ideas are very different from his, particularly when it comes to spending. She's not going to do things exactly as Bill would do things, because she's not nearly as financially conservative as he was. Nor does she have the gift of being able to influence people and bring them together like Bill did.

Additionally, even if Bill does play puppet master to Hillary, this doesn't mean we're going to repeat the booming 1990's all over again. Folk's it just doesn't work that way...this is a whole new era, with a whole new set of problems, and a different set of circumstances.

So with that said, what has Hillary, herself, accomplished that makes her a good candidate for president?
Yeah corporate scandals misrepresenting profits and closing down tons of military bases. Oh bill, thanks so much. He could saved millions if he didnt lie about the lewinksy sex scandal. Yay bill.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Dallas Texas
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Also, can someone please explain to me why so many Obama supporters sound exactly like right-wing Republicans when attacking Clinton? I am so tired of posts here and elsewhere that are entirely negative and say nothing of substance. I would really love to see a thread in which supporters from both sides have an intelligent debate that focuses on the issues. Is that too much to ask?
I couldn't agree more, and I honestly was trying to open up an intelligent debate. So with that being said, what has Hillary accomplished or done that makes her presidential material? Everyone says she's the candidate with "experience", but what exactly does that experience encompass?

We all hear so much about Obama's lack of experience, but never any details about Hillary's experience?

I often hear people say things like "she's done a great job for New York"...but never any details about exactly what she's done for NY, or the country as a whole.
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