Anyone wonder why Burnie gets support among students, wonder no more.

[Tyster]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

"socialist ideas"? Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Not government. You can be against any government at all and be a socialist, in fact that is the essence of socialism.

Hillary is losing among voters younger than 45. Students are a small part of that group. Not everyone younger than 45 is a student.

No one is talking about socialist ideas in this election at all. Socialism is a non issue. What is talked about is a stronger social safety net for the benefit of ordinary Americans. Social democracy, which every country in the world has.

Ask anyone who grew up in Cuba or the USSR if what you just said is true.

They will laugh in your face.

[phma]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

This has nothing to do with socialism which is workers owning the means of production.

A stronger social safety net and worker's rights are part of a social democracy. That is what is talked about this election. Not workers owning the means of production. On the one hand we have candidates who do not support a social safety net to the benefit of ordinary Americans. Do you support medicare and public schools and roads? Or do you believe this is hell, and that we must eliminate it?

You must be talking about Hillary because Trump has been outspoken from the beginning that he wants to maintain, continue and save Social Security, medicare and improve infrastructure like roads, bridges, Airports.

You seem intent on putting a wall between socialist ideas and safety nets as it they are not connected. I say if you introduce either one by necessity you bring in the other to the conversation. They are connected.

My preference is to have a country where the middleclass is 80% of the population. Where people are working and producing to provide for their needs. We were on that path once but no longer. The best safety net any country can provide is good jobs and that reduces the need for or reliance on safety nets. That is a country that is in balance.
Then we were introduce to Globalism and social and economic engineering. Policy's that by there very nature destroy industries and impoverish people. Designed to create a need for government assistance and reliance of safety nets. That is the surest way to reduce the standard of living.

Interestingly enough Obama was giving a speech and praising the communist country of Vietnam and their growing middleclass. Even made the comment that he knew the answer to economic prosperity. Yet the middleclass continues to disappear at an alarming rate for the entire time he has been in office. As he has governed to destroy industries with regulation the call for more social safety nets is getting louder.

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by Tyster

Ask anyone who grew up in Cuba or the USSR if what you just said is true.

They will laugh in your face.

Do you honestly believe workers controlled the means of production in Cuba or the USSR? Thats laughable.

Do you believe North Korea is democratic as well just because they call themselves a democratic republic?

[~HecateWhisperCat~]

~yawns~

[PCALMike]

Originally Posted by phma

You must be talking about Hillary because Trump has been outspoken from the beginning that he wants to maintain, continue and save Social Security, medicare and improve infrastructure like roads, bridges, Airports.

You seem intent on putting a wall between socialist ideas and safety nets as it they are not connected. I say if you introduce either one by necessity you bring in the other to the conversation. They are connected.

My preference is to have a country where the middleclass is 80% of the population. Where people are working and producing to provide for their needs. We were on that path once but no longer. The best safety net any country can provide is good jobs and that reduces the need for or reliance on safety nets. That is a country that is in balance.
Then we were introduce to Globalism and social and economic engineering. Policy's that by there very nature destroy industries and impoverish people. Designed to create a need for government assistance and reliance of safety nets. That is the surest way to reduce the standard of living.

Interestingly enough Obama was giving a speech and praising the communist country of Vietnam and their growing middleclass. Even made the comment that he knew the answer to economic prosperity. Yet the middleclass continues to disappear at an alarming rate for the entire time he has been in office. As he has governed to destroy industries with regulation the call for more social safety nets is getting louder.

Trump's tax plan clearly states who he supports. And that is not the working families of America. Its himself and his billionaire friends as he showers himself and his friends with massive tax breaks and stick it to ordinary American through massive cuts in all services, social security and medicare in particular, in order to have any hope of balancing the budget.

[RobtHansen]

Some people are incapable of learning. No use wasting your time talking to them. I use ignore for them.

[phma]

Originally Posted by PCALMike

Trump's tax plan clearly states who he supports. And that is not the working families of America. Its himself and his billionaire friends as he showers himself and his friends with massive tax breaks and stick it to ordinary American through massive cuts in all services, social security and medicare in particular, in order to have any hope of balancing the budget.

Total mischaracterization of Trump's plan. The inability to see another's vision and how it would work is all to common. Good thing Columbus didn't listen when they said the world was flat.