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Old 06-01-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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Good - i hope one of those parties gains enough support to crash the establishment party at the debates.

And they only need 15% in the polls that the FEC recognizes, in order to be allowed in the debates....which the LP is only a few % points off of from being allowed.
There is no chance of that happening.
Gary Johnson's true support percentage is no more than 5%.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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There is no chance of that happening.
Gary Johnson's true support percentage is no more than 5%.
Which would be over 500% of what he got in 2012.

Mick
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Good - i hope one of those parties gains enough support to crash the establishment party at the debates.

And they only need 15% in the polls that the FEC recognizes, in order to be allowed in the debates....which the LP is only a few % points off of from being allowed.
The more they are included in polls the more likely they are too move up in the polls. Pollsters are probably detecting abnormal dissatisfaction with major party candidates though the media wants a Trump/Clinton brawl.

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Old 06-01-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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There is no chance of that happening.
Gary Johnson's true support percentage is no more than 5%.
Current polls show other wise. Sorry establishment sheep.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:25 AM
 
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Which would be over 500% of what he got in 2012.

Mick
It could go a couple different ways, he might get about 2% or could go to 5%.
Either way, an increase. Green Party will also increase.

The problem with both of those parties isn't only about these percentages,
however, it is their very nature.
Both are merely the idealist edges of the major parties.

The Libertarian Party is represented within the Republican Party, as evidenced
by the fact that its candidates are former Republicans and that Republicans
are for smaller, less intrusive government.

The Green Party is represented within the Democratic Party, as evidenced
by their platform issues becoming part of the Democratic platform as that
major party moves further to "the left".

For these reasons, I would not place a great deal of expectation that
either the Libertarian or Green parties have any future in THE UNITED STATES
except for being spoilers and ideologue cliques.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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It could go a couple different ways, he might get about 2% or could go to 5%.
Either way, an increase. Green Party will also increase.

The problem with both of those parties isn't only about these percentages,
however, it is their very nature.
Both are merely the idealist edges of the major parties.

The Libertarian Party is represented within the Republican Party, as evidenced
by the fact that its candidates are former Republicans and that Republicans
are for smaller, less intrusive government.

The Green Party is represented within the Democratic Party, as evidenced
by their platform issues becoming part of the Democratic platform as that
major party moves further to "the left".

For these reasons, I would not place a great deal of expectation that
either the Libertarian or Green parties have any future in THE UNITED STATES
except for being spoilers and ideologue cliques.
I agree, but 2016 might be a unique year because Clinton and Trump are so unpopular. Ross Perot and Ralph Nader have shown that they could make a difference as a third party or independent candidate.

Mick
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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There is no chance of that happening.
Gary Johnson's true support percentage is no more than 5%.
You mean the guy who was elected governor can only get 5%? Weld got 72% of the vote in Massachussetts when he was governor, I believe that is their historical record. Their support is way over 5%, the question is can they translate that into votes.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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Excellent. I'm curious to see if Johnson/Weld can in fact poll near 10%, and Dr. Stein could get anywhere close to 1%.

Mick
Johnson has been in 3 national polls that have put him at 10-11%. That was before he got nominated. He was getting almost 20% of independents, and minorities. He tied Trump with Hispanics at 21%. His big problem right now is he is not getting much support from Republicans or Democrats.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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Wow, their most recent poll shows Johnson tied with Trump with the black vote... At 4%. But Trump did break double digits with Hispanics at 15%. Johnson didn't do very well in their first poll, just 4.5%, but he did get double digits from independents and he's almost there with Hispanics.

Currently Johnson and Stein are taking more support from Hillary then Trump. Both main candidates lose support to the third parties, but Hillary loses 5%, while Trump only loses 3%.
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Old 06-01-2016, 08:53 AM
 
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Wow, their most recent poll shows Johnson tied with Trump with the black vote... At 4%. But Trump did break double digits with Hispanics at 15%. Johnson didn't do very well in their first poll, just 4.5%, but he did get double digits from independents and he's almost there with Hispanics.

Currently Johnson and Stein are taking more support from Hillary then Trump. Both main candidates lose support to the third parties, but Hillary loses 5%, while Trump only loses 3%.
Gov Johnson has room for growth, with the MSM starting to include him more in interviews and conversations for the general election. Not to mention - more polls are starting to include him. Those factors alone will peak peoples curiosity and lead them to research Gov Johnson and Gov Weld. Whereas Trump and Sec Clinton don't have much room for growth...but both could see decreases if the LP picks up steam.
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