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Old 07-03-2016, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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And yet Trump is spending time and resources in CA, NY, CT - states where he has little chance. I think that's a function of his ego - those places are yyuuuggge media centers.
You forgot Scotland and its 0 electoral votes.
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:43 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Trump's odds aren't great in PA, but they're substantially worse in WI and VA. In fact, there's a case to be made that Trump's most plausible path to the presidency runs through PA. Assuming Trump carries FL, OH, NC, NH, and IA, he would still need CO, VA, or PA (no, I don't consider WI, MI, NV, or NM realistic targets). Given that CO and VA have a significant edge on PA with respect to minorities and college graduates, I think the latter is Trump's best bet.
I don't really think FL is a realistic state for Trump. It might be for some other Republican, but it has too many Latino and black voters (close to 45% of the population) to go for Trump. Even the Cubans don't like him.
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:48 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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But, the working class has a lot of votes!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/up...nces.html?_r=0

I think we'll see more of this as time goes on and people start to pay attention to the campaigns. Many ignore the primaries/caucuses. Trump is doing awesome as his message gets out and people say "Hey, wait, that's what I have been saying for years!" Trump for the win, I mean, the competition is nearing being "dead in the water".!
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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But, the working class has a lot of votes!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/30/up...nces.html?_r=0



I think we'll see more of this as time goes on and people start to pay attention to the campaigns. Many ignore the primaries/caucuses. Trump is doing awesome as his message gets out and people say "Hey, wait, that's what I have been saying for years!" Trump for the win, I mean, the competition is nearing being "dead in the water".!
Unless Trump improves his standing with white college grads, he's dead in the water.

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[b]We will not know until November whether Mr. Trump will attract these traditionally Democratic voters. Even if he does, he might fall far short of winning the presidency, as current polls suggest. His gains among less educated white voters have been neatly canceled by losses among well-educated voters. This could prevent Mr. Trump from winning in states with a large white working class. A recent Marquette University poll showed Mr. Trump winning by seven points among white working-class voters in Wisconsin. Yet Mrs. Clinton was leading by a huge 22-point margin among well-educated white voters, even though four years ago they split almost evenly between parties. The same dynamic could doom Mr. Trump in Pennsylvania. But if you want to know why Mr. Trump is still in striking distance — why Mrs. Clinton is generally well beneath 50 percent, and not faring too much better among registered voters than Mr. Obama was in the fall of 2012 — this is why: Mr. Trump has made big gains among less educated white voters. He has adopted a platform to do it.
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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Trump's odds aren't great in PA, but they're substantially worse in WI and VA. In fact, there's a case to be made that Trump's most plausible path to the presidency runs through PA. Assuming Trump carries FL, OH, NC, NH, and IA, he would still need CO, VA, or PA (no, I don't consider WI, MI, NV, or NM realistic targets). Given that CO and VA have a significant edge on PA with respect to minorities and college graduates, I think the latter is Trump's best bet.
Hillary lost MI to Sanders. Depending on how the debates go, Trump could do well there. If he can successfully argue the anti-trade deals, Michigan is going to listen.

If he can successfully argue the (D)'s bailed out Wall Street while telling Detroit to screw off, he can make gains.
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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Hillary lost MI to Sanders. Depending on how the debates go, Trump could do well there. If he can successfully argue the anti-trade deals, Michigan is going to listen.

If he can successfully argue the (D)'s bailed out Wall Street while telling Detroit to screw off, he can make gains.
The Ds bailed out the car industry while the GOP told them to drop dead
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:42 AM
 
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The Ds bailed out the car industry while the GOP told them to drop dead
It's odd when I mention this the argument is that Bush started the whole bail out thing. The GOP supported the whole bail out mess.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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It's odd when I mention this the argument is that Bush started the whole bail out thing. The GOP supported the whole bail out mess.
Well, Romney in 2012 didn't...and how well did that help him in Michigan, where he grew up?
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Old 07-05-2016, 08:01 PM
 
Location: MPLS
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"Hillary lost MI to Sanders. Depending on how the debates go, Trump could do well there. If he can successfully argue the anti-trade deals, Michigan is going to listen.

If he can successfully argue the (D)'s bailed out Wall Street while telling Detroit to screw off, he can make gains."
Not enough. Trump isn't capable of flipping a D+10 blue state.
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Old 07-06-2016, 05:26 AM
 
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Republicans may not be committing political hyperbole this year when they say their presidential candidate can win Pennsylvania, experts say. ...................

............The key to presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump's winning Pennsylvania in November lies in just 10 counties, the experts say.

And it all comes down to tweaking the margins in existing red counties rather than flipping traditionally blue counties.


Exactly what I said earlier.

Trump Victory in Pennsylvania Hinges on 10 Counties, Experts Say | RealClearPolitics
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