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Old 07-05-2016, 11:33 PM
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If you vote for her, you have no integrity. You can either make a stand and say you won't accept such candidates or you can tell the two parties that they can put up anyone and you'll vote for them to keep the other guy out.

You deserve whatever crappy government you get.
Had the "other party" not nominated an insane, racist, lying clown, you might have a point.

In the absence of a viable third party candidate, voting for the person who is not ideal but who is least not totally insane is the only patriotic choice.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:37 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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I may not agree with Sanders on some big issues, but at least he appears to have integrity.

It's my belief the Democratic Party is going to win the office of POTUS.

I can only hope that enough Democrats find their moral compass and pressure the party into switching to Sanders. This will give me hope for our country. This "I'll vote for a liar to keep out the other party " mentality is scary as hell and is a sign of our doom.
And it's right-wingers like you who believe Sanders has at least some integrity is what makes him more electable than Clinton. I can find video clips of life-long Republicans like one of my senators, John McCain, saying very positive things about Sanders when working together. I don't know if I can find a clip from a GOP candidate talking positive things about Clinton. This means Sanders can at least pull some support from right-wingers and has a better chance actually passing things through Congress given a history of positive work efforts with people who are clearly very different than him.

If Sanders doesn't at least push the party more left, which is clearly almost half of all people who voted in the Democratic primary wants, and that does NOT send a signal to the Democratic party you won't catch me voting Dem ever again. I know for sure I'm not the only person who thinks this. The Democratic party will be losing mostly young people, the people they will NEED DESPERATELY for support in the future. Millennials are a larger generation than the Baby Boomers, but no one appears to know that.

What $hill supporters haven't really addressed is that from the beginning Sanders wasn't even considered a serious candidate. "A democratic socialist?? NO WAY!" Yet, his movement got stronger, and he had almost no support from major media, no Super PAC money or corporate donations, no support from Wall Street... He did all that without the traditional works of a successful campaign. And in his ideology is the word "socialist" which might as well be a curse word in this country, and he did this well. If that doesn't send a blaring message I don't know what does.

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Old 07-05-2016, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I can only assume that you didn't watch the Comey announcement?

You might want to watch it to see that she did lie to America about matters of national security.
Someone determined there was "classified" information in her emails, apparently she didn't know about this.

The level of scrutiny these 110 emails Comey mentioned today is getting from the rabid rightwing in this country would be laughable if it were not so sad.

Iraq? Who cares. Hillary's emails? Eight (8!) Republican investigations.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:43 PM
 
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I don't care that Republicans think she lied, regardless of the evidence...
There's no THINKING she lied, she DID LIE.

Are you actually saying at this point that she didn't lie?....

...Or do you have the stones to admit that she DID LIE, but you just don't care that she lied.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:50 PM
 
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Someone determined there was "classified" information in her emails, apparently she didn't know about this.

The level of scrutiny these 110 emails Comey mentioned today is getting from the rabid rightwing in this country would be laughable if it were not so sad.

Iraq? Who cares. Hillary's emails? Eight (8!) Republican investigations.
I can only assume you work for her campaign; therefore, there is no reason to address you seriously other than telling you to watch and listen to Comey's announcement.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I can only assume you work for her campaign; therefore, there is no reason to address you seriously other than telling you to watch and listen to Comey's announcement.
You make a lot of assumptions, most of them wrong. You also assume Trump knows what he is talking about.

And I can't say I ever took you seriously.

Comey said there were 110 emails with information deemed "classified"……yea, so? The level of outrage amongst the rightwing is comical over these emails, it really is.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Everyone lies to a degree, some major lies, some very minor, but they are

LIES!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:59 PM
 
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Do Democrats really not care about Clinton lying to the country?




They only care about others lying. The queen of liars gets a free pass with libs, and this is what they want to be the President of this country.
Not true. I'm very liberal, and supported Sanders, still do. I feel wronged by the DNC throughout the primaries.

I, and millions of others, will either stay home, write in Bernie, or vote for a third party candidate. I'm probably voting for Jill Stein. In good conscience, I will not vote for Clinton. I will drop my party, and will either go Green or unaffiliated.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The desire for power, direct or indirect, corrupts.
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Old 07-06-2016, 12:03 AM
 
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So taxpayers have spent how much on this Republican witch hunt which found………squadoosh?

Here's the thing: Republican voters are being told by the RNC and FAUX News they need to be upset about some emails sent from an unsecured server, and you would think this woman just made a secret pact with ISIS.

Not a word from any wingnuts when their boy lied us into a disastrous war in Iraq that killed over 4,000 Americans, wounded over 10 times that many, and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

What have you heard from the base about that genuine fiasco? Not a damn thing. But they are foaming and frothing over 110 private emails.

Does anyone need any better evidence than how brain washed the Republican base is? They are like trained seals, FAUX News holds up and fish and they clap on command.
The old US vs. THEM nonsense. Many people who are critical of Hillary aren't Republicans (I'm not), never supported Bush, and have 'cut the cord' so couldn't possibly watch Fox News unless visiting someone else, waiting in a waiting room, etc. Criticism of Hillary and calling her out re her lies stands on it's own merit. At least you acknowledge that the 110 emails were mentioned, even though you obviously don't care that that grouping, as described by Comey, proves that she lied.

Are you actually claiming that Hillary didn't lie?

BTW, it's brainwashed (one word) not brain washed, as you wrote above.

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