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Old 10-05-2016, 09:37 AM
 
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coal jobs willc ome back if we elect a Republican. Obama admin has gone to war with the coal industry. we have plenty of coal in this country. you don't know what you are talking about. coal isn't 'manufacturing'. it is a natural resource.

nobody cares if liberals think Trump supporters are racists. faslley accusing people of racism is just a way to discredit people

Democrat party is the historic party of white racism and the KKK. you vote for that party. racists don't vote for the GOP, a pro-Israel party.
I know coal is not a manufacturing job. I said coal and manufacturing...

And you are just repeating the talking points of Trump and Pence with your words above.

How are they going to bring back coal jobs.....?

I really want to know.....?

Mechanization has taken a lot of jobs away from people, including in the coal mining industry. FWIW, I have family members who were miners in WV for 3 generations. They moved away from WV and got out of mining in the 1950s because the companies could mine with less people at that time. They were black as well and the black miners were the first to get let go back then.

I know we have plenty of coal as well. However, we do not need as many people to mine it and coal had a "war" put on it because the industry has not modernized. If they don't modernize and the country can find more alternative, cleaner sources of power, then coal will die out as an energy source. I don't see that happening any time soon, but more movement to natural gas and to other alternative sources of industry hurts coal mining just as much as the supposed "war" on coal in regards to environmental regulations (and IMO and a lot of Americans, protecting our environment by not utilizing "dirty" coal as energy as often, is a good thing and more important in our lives than destroying our planet for a job).
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I know coal is not a manufacturing job. I said coal and manufacturing...

And you are just repeating the talking points of Trump and Pence with your words above.

How are they going to bring back coal jobs.....?

I really want to know.....?

Mechanization has taken a lot of jobs away from people, including in the coal mining industry. FWIW, I have family members who were miners in WV for 3 generations. They moved away from WV and got out of mining in the 1950s because the companies could mine with less people at that time. They were black as well and the black miners were the first to get let go back then.

I know we have plenty of coal as well. However, we do not need as many people to mine it and coal had a "war" put on it because the industry has not modernized. If they don't modernize and the country can find more alternative sources of power, then coal will die out as an energy source. I don't see that happening any time soon, but more movement to natural gas and to other alternative sources of industry hurts coal mining just as much as the supposed "war" on coal in regards to environmental regulations (and IMO and a lot of Americans, protecting our environment by not utilizing "dirty" coal as energy as often, is a good thing and more important in our lives than destroying out planet for a job).
by not trying to put coal fired plants out of business based on the global warming nonsense. you know, the plants that purchase coal.

why do the coal miners oppose Obama / HIllary if there are no jobs to be had in coal. the realitis you want them to lose their jobs because of your militant unreasonable environmentalism.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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IF there was a downfall of America, one only need to look at the last 40 yr history of the Republican System to see why and listen and look at the people following Trump to see exactly how.

Some of us have written quite a bit on quite a few threads, often times Republican gloss over it and claim it to be false, even when its referenced or simply addresses a common known fact. We watched a debate last night, where the exact words of the Nominee Trump were stated and Trumps right hand man, on global TV, ignored, tried to skirt away from it or said, no. When truth is, there are video clips of Trump making the statements on every media platform which can communicate.
Tim Cain did missed a point, which should have been stated to clear up the falsehood stated by Pence, when he tried to claim ISIS was created as a result of Hillary. Fact is: ISIS leaders themselves, said they created themselves, in the Prison Camps set up under the President Bush Administration, they further said, they would never have been able to get together to develop as a group, except the prison camps made it possible.

No one wants to talk about reality fact, all the way back to the 2011 Bush Signed agreement to pull out troops. The fact that all the former Iraqi General and other Officers, were available to provide Intel and skill development information to the ISIS groups, as well as the Weapons sales proliferation created by the fact of the Iraqi War and Afghanistan War, set up the state for massive weapons to be made available to any terror faction who could request and pay.

Republican System went from being one that created wars, crashed the economy of nation and world, spent 7.5 yrs embarrassing America on the global stage with their block and tackle anything and everything, and then they produced the wanna be Dictator, Donald Trump. Trump went on to arouse every right wing faction he could reach, and feed any anti-government group he could push his solicitation out to, he denigrated the same party that he is representing, and has attacked every aspect of department and division of the Federal Government.
This is the same government that has a system in place that his Father feed upon, and Trump in this era has fed upon.

The mass of people whom follow the Republican program, and push for the Trump platform, have been a mixed bag of many types, but dominantly of a single ethnicity. Their theme is to try to recreate a past which was a disaster, and push claims of a greatness that never existed for "all" american people. The platform is based on "FICTION".

It has become like the pursuit of the "Great White Hope" as if a segment of white society is desperate to try some last hooray to regain their system aims of a white dominated society, as that which existed in the 19th and early to mid 20th Century. Truth and fact, that was only a commercialized madness, which resulted to split the nation even more and then fragment the splits. The group that was selected to be the sacrificial disposable ones, were the Poor White and working poor whites, as the system was focused and determined to find any means to block avenues for minority uplift and economic party, so sacrificing the disposable ones, whom make of the working poor whites and dire poor whites, to achieve the objective of closing down avenues for minorities to advance. Was and remains so much of the core structure of 21st Century Republican Ideals. They even try and push and paint themselves as if to be some Victorian Era of self deluding pretense of morality, when behind the scenes the vile has multiplied like a bacterial virus.

They don't talk about "Equality", they don't talk about the "Diplomacy and the Value Points of Democracy", they talk about how they can contain, control, manipulate and dominate. It's the same generational madness that has always been a detriment to America and a contradiction against the Constitution of this nation and the rights of its people.

Guess the Media missed it when Pence said, about the Administration pushing for controls of abortions, but these are the same Republican on the other hand, when it something they think will take money out of their pocket, they claim the government puts its hands in too much.

When commentary, mode and manner, as well as their Republican aims, is truly broken down, one can frame of no less than 75% of what they promote and what they say and what they actually do, to be Contradictions, that weave a web, which always settles itself in repressions, domination's, self enrichment and aims to contain the masses under their delusions and aspirations of being like an Autocratic system, where they install themselves as the monarch's, who function with allegiance to a Dictator.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:40 AM
 
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coal is only declining in America b/c Obama and Democrats have gone to war with the industry. we have tons of coal.

here is another example of a liberal who votes for the historic party of racism accusing Republican voters of racism with no evidence of this. You are a smear artist.
Coal has been declining long before the EPA was founded, let alone since Obama was elected. The eastern coalfields have been depleted of their easily mined deposits. Getting the remainder out is much more expensive and natural gas is cleaner and more cost effective, unless you want to completely sack environmental standards and issue every man, woman and child a gas mask. Nothing is going to bring back all of the jobs that at one time existed in the eastern coal fields. Absolutely nothing.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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it is weird how you accuse GOP of being both anti-government and autocratic at same time. you should pick one talking point or the other.

being for small government is not theh same thing as anti-government. given the anti-police sentiments of Democrats, you guys are actually the ones anti-government.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Coal has been declining long before the EPA was founded, let alone since Obama was elected. The eastern coalfields have been depleted of their easily mined deposits. Getting the remainder out is much more expensive and natural gas is cleaner and more cost effective, unless you want to completely sack environmental standards and issue every man, woman and child a gas mask. Nothing is going to bring back all of the jobs that at one time existed in the eastern coal fields. Absolutely nothing.
ok, well i work in the energy field and i can tell you that the people who work in coal disagree with you. coal is cheaper than natural gas, natural gas tends to go up and down in price rather quickly.

if coal is a dying industry on its own, why did Obama say that he plans to put it out of business.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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by not trying to put coal fired plants out of business based on the global warming nonsense. you know, the plants that purchase coal.

why do the coal miners oppose Obama / HIllary if there are no jobs to be had in coal. the realitis you want them to lose their jobs.
So you are okay with our environment being destroyed because of jobs when there are alternative sources of energy available that are cleaner and safer for our planet? You are also okay with mining companies potentially putting miners at risk due to not having to comply with increased safety standards?

FYI many of the things cited as being a "war on coal" are safety regulations. Seems we forget about the mining accidents that caused the deaths of miners in this country, most notably the Upper Big Branch Mine disaster in 2010 which was directly related to the fact that the mining company ignored regulations and pushed workers to work in unsafe conditions, which eventually lead to the deaths of over 20 workers in an explosion. More light was put on the industry after this disaster by the Obama administration and rightly so IMO.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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here is a good summary of many of the advantages of coal:

10 reasons why coal is a good energy source:

GOP suppporters other forms of energy like nuclear which has traditionally been opposed by Democrats. we are not opposed to natural gas. we just aren't anti-coal because it is the cheapest form of energy and it doesn't impact the environment despite what environmental radicals say. Coal is just old wood that is buried in the ground. being a coal-phobe makes no sense.

Obama is going after coal b/c he is an environmental radical and hates corporations in general. nothing to do with worker safety.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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These "coal will boom again" posts remind me of someone who was bullish on the future of the Pickett Slide Rule Company in the early '70's.
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Old 10-05-2016, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Much of Trump's core clientele are blue-collar workers who at least got themselves off the lowest rung or two of society's ladder via their own efforts
"Their own efforts" like the auto bailout?
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