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Old 10-06-2016, 12:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Pretzelogik View Post
Let's face it Donald is a political outsider and the lords of power on both sides don't like it.
The powers that be will make reasons for outsiders to be kept out. The "show me your taxes" one is their latest angle.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:20 AM
 
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The powers that be will make reasons for outsiders to be kept out. The "show me your taxes" one is their latest angle.
Ah, a good conservative conspiracy theory. It doesn't surprise me that a candidate who is so adored by so many uneducated folks would be the inspiration of so many completely unfounded, nonsensical conspiracy theories.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:24 AM
 
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As the debates here point out, what constitutes an insult is debateable.

The bottom line is that Hillary has insulted millions therefore it's hypocritical to attack anyone for hurling insults. Unless of course 3rd grade logic is applied..."well you did it more".
I'm not sure in what sense it is debatable that saying the people who are coming here illegally are rapists and murderers is insulting, particularly when all statistical evidence on the issue indicates they are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born citizens. I'm also not sure how it is debatable that saying an entire religion of people should be banned from entering our country due to their religion. Based on how Trump is polling among these groups, I'd say there's no debate that his words were insulting.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:28 AM
 
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Ah, a good conservative conspiracy theory. It doesn't surprise me that a candidate who is so adored by so many uneducated folks would be the inspiration of so many completely unfounded, nonsensical conspiracy theories.
Let me guess...you're one of those that call any differing opinion a full-on conspiracy theory? Your type is worse than actual maniacal conspiracy theorist. Do you feel more intelligent when performing the public service of identifying conspiracy? LOL
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:30 AM
 
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I'm not sure in what sense it is debatable that saying the people who are coming here illegally are rapists and murderers is insulting, particularly when all statistical evidence on the issue indicates they are less likely to commit violent crimes than native-born citizens. I'm also not sure how it is debatable that saying an entire religion of people should be banned from entering our country due to their religion. Based on how Trump is polling among these groups, I'd say there's no debate that his words were insulting.
Please provide a full quote and THEN defend your position.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:33 AM
 
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The crooked Hillary meme is getting really old. Crooked Donald is far more accurate. Trump is making Nixon look ethical.
wow, they got you. Sorry.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:34 AM
 
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Let me guess...you're one of those that call any differing opinion a full-on conspiracy theory? Your type is worse than actual maniacal conspiracy theorist. Do you feel more intelligent when performing the public service of identifying conspiracy? LOL
You are suggesting that the "powers that be" are conspiring together to keep Trump out. That is unquestionably a conspiracy theory.

Here's the full quote for the "rapists and murderers" bit:

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

If I'm talking about group X and say "They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people," and group X is actually less likely than average to commit crimes like rape, don't you think group X has good reason to feel insulted?
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:42 AM
 
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You are suggesting that the "powers that be" are conspiring together to keep Trump out. That is unquestionably a conspiracy theory.

Here's the full quote for the "rapists and murderers" bit:

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

If I'm talking about group X and say "They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people," and group X is actually less likely than average to commit crimes like rape, don't you think group X has good reason to feel insulted?
That's not a conspiracy - it's an opinion of what a group's political motivations are. Everything used in politics has a motive. Taxes just happen to be a good angle for attacking any outsider wealthy enough to run for president...my guess is that all will have a team of accountants chiseling their taxes down to nothing. Therefore, when a super-rich person decides to run, taxes are the first place to attack. It plays well with the low info voters that believe rich people paying low taxes are someone crooks.

Thanks for the quote. I see nothing offensive. He said he assumes some are good people. That's a fair assumption.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:46 AM
 
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You are suggesting that the "powers that be" are conspiring together to keep Trump out. That is unquestionably a conspiracy theory.

Here's the full quote for the "rapists and murderers" bit:

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

If I'm talking about group X and say "They're rapists. Some, I assume, are good people," and group X is actually less likely than average to commit crimes like rape, don't you think group X has good reason to feel insulted?
So, by your logic, 100% of Trump supporters should be outraged that Hillary called 1/2 of them Deplorable?

I mean, dont you think that Trump supporters has a good reason to feel insulted?
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:46 AM
 
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That's not a conspiracy - it's an opinion of what a group's political motivations are. Everything used in politics has a motive. Taxes just happen to be a good angle for attacking any outsider wealthy enough to run for president...my guess is that all will have a team of accountants to chisel their taxes down to nothing.
The fact that you are even referring to the "powers that be" as a "group" that in any way is capable of collaborating to achieve some end requires some level of conspiracy.

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Thanks for the quote. I see nothing offensive. He said he assumes some are good people. That's a fair assumption.
You see nothing offensive because you are not personally in that group and you have a blinding political allegiance. He also said "They are rapists." If I'm talking about the Haskell family (yes, I know that's not your real name) to some people in your town and I say "They are liars," you would probably get upset, even though there is a good chance that someone somewhere in your family is in fact a liar. The fact that I followed it up with "Some, I assume, are good people" probably wouldn't be very meaningful to you.
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