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Old 10-25-2016, 03:27 PM
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Checkmate
A puerile comment that has as much validity as Trump claiming he's leading in all the polls.

Here's some advice for you: If you feel you need to add a self-congratulatory comment to a post, then it probably means that you subconsciously realize that your comments don't actually prove what you were trying to prove, and you need to try to dupe people into thinking that you're so confident that you surely must be correct. Such nonsense is a clear indicator that the comment above it is probably without merit.

Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State. She was our nation's chief officer with regard to global trade.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:37 PM
 
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You are simply wrong, and I mean that in the most tender loving way. It is not the Secretary of State's job to become an expert on every country. The experts are the ones who brief the Secretary of State. No one on this earth has the intellectual capacity to become the foremost expert on every country in the world. Lifelong bureaucrats specialize in one region of the world, Clinton never had the background, she was appointed Secretary of State, she was always a lawyer/politician.
Of course no one is expected to know every single country in the face of this earth, but she was the president's chief foreign affairs adviser. By the very nature of the job she needs to be an expert in all foreign affairs. Yes, she has legions of experts and advisors under her belt, but the Secretary of State herself needs to hold a lot of the information in her, she acts as the single point of collection for ALL the information from below and advises the President accordingly. This is a job that requires someone who can remember and process massive amount of information. Anyone who served a full term in that position pretty much by default is an expert in foreign affairs.


The following is from the State Dept's website.

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Duties of the Secretary of State of the United States

Under the Constitution, the President of the United States determines U.S. foreign policy. The Secretary of State, appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate, is the President’s chief foreign affairs adviser.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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It's the same number that the U.S. works.......as far as you know no one worked 60-70 hours.
The 60-70 hours are based on the article I linked to.

Even if the number of work hours are the same, there are other factors at play here. The bottom line is that what worked in Iceland wouldn't necessary work in USA. Two very different countries with very different underlying challenges.


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There is zero reasons why we didn't prosecute the corrupt bankers. Other than the fact they run the government. ie: Geithner, Bernanke and Yellen.

Actually, the more reasonable explanation is that our government is no match for the powerful law firms that defend the scums.

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Many assume that the federal authorities simply lacked the guts to go after powerful Wall Street bankers, but that obscures a far more complicated dynamic. During the past decade, the Justice Department suffered a series of corporate prosecutorial fiascos, which led to critical changes in how it approached white-collar crime. The department began to focus on reaching settlements rather than seeking prison sentences, which over time unintentionally deprived its ranks of the experience needed to win trials against the most formidable law firms.


Resources aside, the erosion of the department’s actual trial skills would soon become apparent. In November 2009, the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn lost the first criminal case of the crisis against two Bear Stearns executives accused of misleading investors. The prosecutors rushed into trial, failing to prepare for the exculpatory emails uncovered by the defense team. After two days, the jury acquitted the two money managers. “For sure,” one former federal prosecutor told me, “it put a chill” on investigations. “Politicos care about winning and losing.”
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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Actually, the more reasonable explanation is that our government is no match for the powerful law firms that defend the scums.

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Geithner said he wouldn't press for prosecutions, not that they couldn't. I do always get a kick out of those who argue that the government is incompetent though especially out of those who would otherwise argue for the government control of more of our lives.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:28 PM
 
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Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State. She was our nation's chief officer with regard to global trade.
Well I guess that makes Obama our nation's leading military expert (land, sea, air) since has been the Commander-in-chief for 8 years, even though he has no military background. I guess if we ever need a person uniquely qualified on military ops we know where to find one. He definitely knows more than all the Generals because he is the Commander-in-chief.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:38 PM
 
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Cenk Uygur: Even Clinton's Advisers Knew Her Wall Street Speeches "Look Bad" | Video | RealClearPolitics

Clinton's advisers point out Hillary's Wall Street speeches are bad.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:39 PM
 
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Of course no one is expected to know every single country in the face of this earth, but she was the president's chief foreign affairs adviser. By the very nature of the job she needs to be an expert in all foreign affairs. Yes, she has legions of experts and advisors under her belt, but the Secretary of State herself needs to hold a lot of the information in her, she acts as the single point of collection for ALL the information from below and advises the President accordingly. This is a job that requires someone who can remember and process massive amount of information. Anyone who served a full term in that position pretty much by default is an expert in foreign affairs.


The following is from the State Dept's website.

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She is no more an expert on foreign affairs than Obama (Commander-in-chief) is an expert on military operations. They are both lifelong lawyers/politicians. By your own logic, Obama is an expert in every area of the military even though he never wore a uniform.
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Old 10-26-2016, 01:34 AM
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Stop working so hard to defend the inane comment you made. You don't like Clinton. Message received. The partisan nature of the claptrap you are posting is transparent.

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Of course no one is expected to know every single country in the face of this earth, but she was the president's chief foreign affairs adviser. By the very nature of the job she needs to be an expert in all foreign affairs. Yes, she has legions of experts and advisors under her belt, but the Secretary of State herself needs to hold a lot of the information in her, she acts as the single point of collection for ALL the information from below and advises the President accordingly. This is a job that requires someone who can remember and process massive amount of information. Anyone who served a full term in that position pretty much by default is an expert in foreign affairs.
Precisely.
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Old 10-26-2016, 05:57 AM
 
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Geithner said he wouldn't press for prosecutions, not that they couldn't. I do always get a kick out of those who argue that the government is incompetent though especially out of those who would otherwise argue for the government control of more of our lives.
it wasn't just Obama's Treasury Secretary, Tax Cheat Timmy Geithner. Obama's Attorney General Eric Holder, as well, is responsible for the "too big to jail" treatment of the banksters and Wall Street grifters, such as they were/are:

Eric Holder's 1999 Memo Helped Set The Stage For 'Too Big To Jail' | Huffington Post
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Old 10-26-2016, 11:05 AM
 
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She is no more an expert on foreign affairs than Obama (Commander-in-chief) is an expert on military operations. They are both lifelong lawyers/politicians. By your own logic, Obama is an expert in every area of the military even though he never wore a uniform.
Why did you misrepresent my argument? I have not said that Clinton (nor Obama) is an expert on every area of their job! In fact, I explicitly said Clinton is not a scholar on all area of China (like history/culture).

Since you bring up Obama, yes he would be an expert on the geopolitical and the high-level operation of the military. He would know the purpose of each war, the end game, exit plan, the number of troops committed, the strategy being used, the personnel allocated, amount of money spend, secret operations, backroom deals, challenges, successes and what alternative strategy was proposed. In other words, he would know information that even scholar experts don't know.

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