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Old 11-07-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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Trump wants to be a dictator not a President. He certainly will try to dismantle most of our freedoms. Corporations will have the most freedom to polute our air and water. All in the name of profits for the 1%....
That's a good point, I hadn't thought about the ramifications for the environment. A President does have a lot of power to change agencies like the EPA - I could certainly see him trying to dismantle that agency. A lot of multi billion dollar corporations would love to have free reign to pollute at will, back to the days of when "America was Great". Like when the Cuyahoga river caught fire because it was so heavily polluted, and we were allowed to use "effective" pesticides like DDT.
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Old 11-07-2016, 07:53 AM
 
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That's a good point, I hadn't thought about the ramifications for the environment. A President does have a lot of power to change agencies like the EPA - I could certainly see him trying to dismantle that agency. A lot of multi billion dollar corporations that would love to have free reign to pollute at will, back to the days of when "America was Great". Like when the Cuyahoga river caught fire because it was so heavily polluted.
This is one of Trump's major platform agendas and most of the people who want to vote for him don't bother to find out what his platform actually is. He clearly wants to abolish the EPA, oppose the Paris accord, and bring back coal.

Why is Trump so fixated on abolishing the EPA? | Grist
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Old 11-07-2016, 07:57 AM
 
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This is one of Trump's major platform agendas and most of the people who want to vote for him don't bother to find out what his platform actually is. He clearly wants to abolish the EPA, oppose the Paris accord, and bring back coal.

Why is Trump so fixated on abolishing the EPA? | Grist
Thanks Hollytree. Have a day job so it is nearly impossible to keep up with all of the Trump news.

You have to realize that many people voting for him couldn't care less if he abolishes the EPA. So even if they knew that, they would not care. They've been taught that all regulation of industry is BAD and they will keep believing that until it's too late, and we've done irreparable damage to our environment.
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Old 11-07-2016, 07:59 AM
 
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Wasn't it Obama and the Democrats who want to suppress opposition speech by going after radio shows and FOX news? You people are unbelievable.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:14 AM
 
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Wasn't it Obama and the Democrats who want to suppress opposition speech by going after radio shows and FOX news? You people are unbelievable.
The first and most important step toward suppression of free speech in the modern age was when the neo-cons of the day abolished the Fairness Doctrine - 1987 under Reagan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

"The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was... honest, equitable, and balanced. The FCC eliminated the Doctrine in 1987..."

The Fairness Doctrine had sought to prevent the situation where one party or platform could control broadcasts; and once it was abolished this is exactly what happened. With the Doctrine gone, it paved the way for the neo-conservative movement to purchase and completely control talk radio, which in those days was a powerful propaganda tool. That was quickly followed by Fox "News", and the general deterioration of investigative journalism. Of course, progressives tried to do the same thing, but they were no match for the formidable talent of Rush Limbaugh and the other skilled poison-spreaders of the Far Right.

With Trump having control of the FCC, I can certainly see him wanting to use that agency to his advantage, and continue the tradition of the neo-cons that paved the way for him - if he could use it to help suppress opposition speech, why wouldn't he?

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Old 11-07-2016, 08:22 AM
 
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He has certainly said that he would by 'opening up the libel laws'. Remember what happens to journalists in Russia and we KNOW how Trump loves Russkies.
Well, our laws should make it easier, when necessary, to sue Rolling Stone for libelous defamation!
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Sale Creek, TN
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The Fairness Doctrine had sought to prevent the situation where one party or platform could control broadcasts; and once it was abolished this is exactly what happened. With the Doctrine gone, it paved the way for the neo-conservative movement to purchase and completely control talk radio, which in those days was a powerful propaganda tool. That was quickly followed by Fox "News", and the general deterioration of investigative journalism. Of course, progressives tried to do the same thing, but they were no match for the formidable talent of Rush Limbaugh and the other skilled poison-spreaders of the Far Right.
I believe the Left has done a fine job, since the removal of the Fairness Doctrine. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC and CBS all lean, some almost to the point of falling all over the Progressives.

Clinton scares me as much Trump does. She holds grudges as well.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:28 AM
 
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If Trump is elected as President I am really curious about how far he would be willing to go to suppress the speech of his opponents. He's already talked about changing the Constitution to allow easier litigation of the press, so we know that he's willing to go there. He seems to be extremely thin skinned, as anyone who has ever defied him has learned to their chagrin - so it seems this could be a theme of his administration.

Does anyone think he'd be willing to use the power of Presidency to try to stifle the speech of his opponents? It worked for Joe McCarthy, at least for a while. If you are a Trump supporter, do you think that's a good idea?
He wouldn't be able to change the constitution by executive order.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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He wouldn't be able to change the constitution by executive order.
This is true. But a President has enormous powers at his disposal. Do you really think master manipulator Donald Trump will stop to worry about whether a suppression tactic is legal or not? Remember, McCarthy was able to blacklist his "enemies" and frame them for being communist sympathizers; he caused untold destruction for many innocent people - and he was just a Senator. Trump and McCarthy are very similar in many ways - mainly because they both had the same teacher, blackhearted lawyer Roy Cohn, who not only advised McCarthy, he was also legal counselor to any number of mobsters. If Trump wins, a definite possibility - my prediction is that we're going to see abuses of power unlike any President before him, because that is his nature. Nixon will look like a garden variety weasel compared to Trump.
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Old 11-07-2016, 08:40 AM
 
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Hypothetical: Would a President Trump suppress opposition speech or press?
this is a joke right ?Dems coordinated effort to suppress opposition by using the IRS and you ask what Trump would do ? Look in the mirrorand open your eyesplease.
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