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Old 07-17-2017, 05:35 PM
 
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Sanders would have done no better than HRC, who did as well as Kerry and Gore. Philly was an area HRC did not dramatically underperform DNC norms in. One of the few..LOL. We know precisely why Philly turnout spiked for BO. Its not repeatable. Sanders does not create that special pull.
Kerry won Wisc, Michigan and Pa.
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Old 07-17-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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Well, assuming Bernie, Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren, or Cory Booker are in the mix for the Dems, I'm sure you will see a lot of those "against" votes.
There is a genuine level of vitriol and animosity towards Hillary Clinton from both progressives and conservatives. The same cannot be said for people like Bernie, Warren and the others.
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Old 07-18-2017, 04:54 AM
 
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There is a genuine level of vitriol and animosity towards Hillary Clinton from both progressives and conservatives. The same cannot be said for people like Bernie, Warren and the others.
It's not as bad with Warren as Clinton with the true left but it is indeed there. They believe she sold them out by not supporting Bernie and then backing Hillary who is everything Warren claims not to be. If she had any principles at all she would not have backed Clinton.

Gabbard stood on her principles.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:01 AM
 
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Well, assuming Bernie, Maxine Waters, Elizabeth Warren, or Cory Booker are in the mix for the Dems, I'm sure you will see a lot of those "against" votes. Or even if the Dems continue to offer nothing other than opposition to Trump. While I don't support Trump and don't have many strong feelings in favor of the platform of the D party, they really aren't offering much of anything at this point.
Well then Cult 45 better start looking up some dirt on them ASAP. They're pretty likable people to the non extremists. They're no Hillary at least.

And you know this time around people will be voting just to vote against 45.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:15 AM
 
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Well then Cult 45 better start looking up some dirt on them ASAP. They're pretty likable people to the non extremists. They're no Hillary at least.

And you know this time around people will be voting just to vote against 45.
There are more and more of us that will not do that. Provide me someone to vote for, I will not vote to vote against someone.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:30 AM
 
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This is how Trump wins in 2020.

Dems' rising star meets with Clinton inner circle in Hamptons

Dems' rising star meets with Clinton inner circle in Hamptons | Page Six

It's hard to imagine a much more depressing headline.

Harris' pro illegal alien stances while in state office should sink on on a national stage.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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Sanders support did not care about name calling. Sanders would have talked specifics in the debate. Things that were drawing huge crowds to hear.
His supporters aren't the ones in question, its the undecided folks that would have been swayed by by name calling. It also still doesn't erase Bernies shaky performance in debates, that again would give undecided voters pause if they thought he couldn't stand up to Trump. Bottom line is that there really is no cut and dry case that Bernie would have won, he was probably the better candidate in a pool of pretty bad candidates.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:38 AM
 
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Well then Cult 45 better start looking up some dirt on them ASAP. They're pretty likable people to the non extremists. They're no Hillary at least.

And you know this time around people will be voting just to vote against 45.
I might give you Booker as likable, but Warren, Waters, and Bernie can be VERY unlikable to many level headed, smart, sane people.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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Here is how Trump loses if he even makes it to 2020.

Millennials vote.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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There is a genuine level of vitriol and animosity towards Hillary Clinton from both progressives and conservatives. The same cannot be said for people like Bernie, Warren and the others.
I don't buy this argument at all, especially with Warren. Even if you like what she says politically, she comes off as a bit of a lunatic, and Bernie isn't that far behind. There are plenty of people in the Democratic party that don't like either, I mean there was a whole conspiracy within the DNC to push Hillary as the candidate over Bernie, and Warren has her history of blasting Clinton over banking issues.
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