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Old 12-24-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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I'm a liberal Democrat and no he would not.
Look what happened to Webb.....
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Old 12-24-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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Look what happened to Webb.....
He retired from the Senate. He was absolutely no fan of Bush. Nothing "happened" to him.
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Old 12-24-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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He retired from the Senate. He was absolutely no fan of Bush. Nothing "happened" to him.
He got very little support in the 2016 primaries for the nomination and was driven out of the party.
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Old 12-24-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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He got very little support in the 2016 primaries for the nomination and was driven out of the party.
He didn't win is all. He was not driven out of the party. Ted Cruz didn't win the primary either and he's still a Republican.
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Old 12-25-2017, 04:59 AM
 
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The man I believe was our nation's greatest president was FDR.
Yikes! No! FDR's ill-advised policies prolonged the Great Depression by at least 7 years.

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate | UCLA
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Old 12-25-2017, 08:03 AM
 
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Today, a “liberal” increasingly is coming to mean “internationalist”. This means, a person who strongly believes in international agreements and treaties; who advocates for broadbased and free exchange of goods, services and labor; who regards immigration as being not merely generous and humane, but economically vital and nationally vigorous. A “conservative”, in contrast, is nationalistically-minded and inward-turning, building walls and erecting trade-barriers, and if engaging internationally, then doing so imperiously, if not outright via military force.

I would actually welcome the merging of the OP’s “group 1” and “group 2” into a third party, thus freeing the remaining major parties to be less reactionary.
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Old 12-25-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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Today, a “liberal” increasingly is coming to mean “internationalist”. This means, a person who strongly believes in international agreements and treaties; who advocates for broadbased and free exchange of goods, services and labor; who regards immigration as being not merely generous and humane, but economically vital and nationally vigorous.
That's actually the definition of "neoliberal".

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A “conservative”, in contrast, is nationalistically-minded and inward-turning, building walls and erecting trade-barriers, and if engaging internationally, then doing so imperiously, if not outright via military force.

I would actually welcome the merging of the OP’s “group 1” and “group 2” into a third party, thus freeing the remaining major parties to be less reactionary.
That would mean that the Bush family would be considered "liberals" today and old time Midwestern union backed Dems like Walter Mondale and Dick Gephardt would be considered "conservatives"
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Old 12-25-2017, 04:27 PM
 
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That would mean that the Bush family would be considered "liberals" today and old time Midwestern union backed Dems like Walter Mondale and Dick Gephardt would be considered "conservatives"
Essentially, yes. One of the momentous realignments of our time, is that professionals and upper-middle-class people in general, are moving to the Democratic party; meanwhile, "working class" people - unless they happen to be racial minorities - are moving to the Republican party. There is strong overlap between many of the views of Bernie Sanders, and the stated views (we don't know what are the actual views!) of Trump.

Interestingly, one of the strongest predictors of preference to vote Democratic, is not race or even religious orientation, but whether or not one has a graduate degree. The PhD/MD/JD overwhelmingly votes Democratic, at least at the national level.
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Old 12-25-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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Essentially, yes. One of the momentous realignments of our time, is that professionals and upper-middle-class people in general, are moving to the Democratic party; meanwhile, "working class" people - unless they happen to be racial minorities - are moving to the Republican party. There is strong overlap between many of the views of Bernie Sanders, and the stated views (we don't know what are the actual views!) of Trump.

Interestingly, one of the strongest predictors of preference to vote Democratic, is not race or even religious orientation, but whether or not one has a graduate degree. The PhD/MD/JD overwhelmingly votes Democratic, at least at the national level.
We can detect some of Trump's actual views by the opinions he has held throughout his adult life. His views on trade and Israel have not changed since he first became a public figure, when he was a Dem.
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