Look at the map (voters, Congress, campaign, democrat)

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

Here’s a map of the counties won by Trump and Clinton in the 2016 election. Notice that in some blue states, Trump actually won more counties.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016..._by_County.svg

[Bureaucat]

So?

People vote, not acres or coyotes.

More people live in those tiny splotches of blue than in that Red Sea.

It’s like bragging about carrying the Nevada desert while losing Las Vegas and Reno.

[James Bond 007]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Here’s a map of the counties won by Trump and Clinton in the 2016 election. Notice that in some blue states, Trump actually won more counties.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016..._by_County.svg

What Bureaucrat said.

How many more times do we need to point out that people vote, not counties or acres?

If you have a state with 10 counties, and 1 of those counties has a million people, and the other 9 each have just 10,000 people, but the 1 big county goes democrat while the smaller 9 counties go republican, you're gonna have a map that looks mostly red. But that doesn't matter because most of the people in the state live in the one big county.

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

I was trying to point out the urban v. rural divides within states. I suspect rural New Yorkers resent having to submit to the leftist whims of the residents of the five boroughs.

[Nanny Goat]

NY is interesting. You see so little blue and so much red. Upstate NY was always Republican, but they were more of the "common sense" type of Republicans. They weren't involved in things like abortion, gay marriage, etc. It was all about fiscal moderation. They don't give a hill of beans about social issues and never did. There's no religiosity fueling their decisions. The Republicans were almost "normal" back then compared to what's happened to the party now.

[jas75]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

I was trying to point out the urban v. rural divides within states. I suspect rural New Yorkers resent having to submit to the leftist whims of the residents of the five boroughs.

The red states likewise have blue counties and cities that are unable to get their preferred candidates elected and legislation passed statewide. They may not show up so prominently on the map because they cover a small amount of territory, but in many cases have a lot of residents and voters.

[Phil75230]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

Here’s a map of the counties won by Trump and Clinton in the 2016 election. Notice that in some blue states, Trump actually won more counties.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016..._by_County.svg

So what's your point? That only rural-to-small-metro people are worthy of steering our nation's ship of state? That only rural-to-small-city America can save America from itself? Because if so, you've excluded a huge percentage of the US people. Well over 50% of Americans live in metro areas over 1 million (i.e. Birmingham and Oklahoma City and larger). Only 15% of the population lives in rural areas and small towns (not even small metros).

[Beach Sportsfan]

Originally Posted by Bureaucat

So?

People vote, not acres or coyotes.

More people live in those tiny splotches of blue than in that Red Sea.

It’s like bragging about carrying the Nevada desert while losing Las Vegas and Reno.

LMAO. Thanks for clarifying for those that just don’t get it

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by Mouldy Old Schmo

I was trying to point out the urban v. rural divides within states. I suspect rural New Yorkers resent having to submit to the leftist whims of the residents of the five boroughs.

LOL. New York State has 19.54 million people

The counties that Hillary Clinton won have 14 million people.

[mrpeatie]

It would be interesting to see the 2012 Presidential map and 2014 and 2018 Congressional maps for comparison.


One thing I've read about the Obama campaigns vs H Clinton campaign is that his team placed a greater emphasis on narrowing margins in areas they knew they would lose. So they campaigned/advertised heavily in smaller cities to try to increase votes in those cities and adjacent rural areas. Not to win but to have less of a deficit for the larger metros to try to overcome. That is how he won Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Pennsylvania.


Amy Klobuchar is the only current candidate seeming to address that you need to show up everywhere, not simply where you are already in a majority. Buttijeig (sp) has talked about not ceding the moral issues but those are not the same.