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Old 06-24-2008, 10:32 AM
 
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How are we suppose to know EXACTLY what these jobs are if Obama doesnt even know?

Why spend billions on false jobs so people can make min. wage?

He has not completed one single good idea in the Senate or his campaign yet, so what should we expect.

Bush created millions of new jobs and didnt spend a dime on them, its called making sure those who sign our checks have money to invest and grow.

We dont need green jobs, we need manufacturing jobs. Green jobs will be temporary anyway.

Nobama is a tax monger !
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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How are we suppose to know EXACTLY what these jobs are if Obama doesnt even know?

Why spend billions on false jobs so people can make min. wage?

He has not completed one single good idea in the Senate or his campaign yet, so what should we expect.

Bush created millions of new jobs and didnt spend a dime on them, its called making sure those who sign our checks have money to invest and grow.

We dont need green jobs, we need manufacturing jobs. Green jobs will be temporary anyway.

Nobama is a tax monger !
Green jobs are manufacturing jobs.
...and clerical.
...and engineering.
...and accounting.
...and teaching.
...and banking.
...and etc. and etc. and....
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Well, my area is getting plenty of "green jobs" -- a Republican, oil-rich area, btw. I don't know what company put up the first wind turbine but now we have the largest concentration of wind farms in the U.S. and it's still growing. Indeed, companies are now moving in to provide training centers and supportive industries for the wind farms. Oil magnate T. Boone Pickens is the latest to jump on the wind farm bandwagon.

Did we need a liberal president offering tax rebates and giveaways to do this? Apparently not. We had the land, the wind, and people WILLING to have the windfarms here. THAT'S IMPORTANT! Wind farms have been proposed for many other areas in the country and people have had a hissy fit trying to keep them out. Sorry, but it takes more than the feds saying they'll do this -- communities have to WANT it and stop the fighting/paranoia.

In short, local areas are the ones who make "green jobs" work -- or not. The feds can do very little about it if the NIMBY-ers (who seem often to be liberal, btw) fight tooth and nail to keep alternative energy out of THEIR neighborhoods and towns.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Well, my area is getting plenty of "green jobs" -- a Republican, oil-rich area, btw. I don't know what company put up the first wind turbine but now we have the largest concentration of wind farms in the U.S. and it's still growing. Indeed, companies are now moving in to provide training centers and supportive industries for the wind farms. Oil magnate T. Boone Pickens is the latest to jump on the wind farm bandwagon.

Did we need a liberal president offering tax rebates and giveaways to do this? Apparently not. We had the land, the wind, and people WILLING to have the windfarms here. THAT'S IMPORTANT! Wind farms have been proposed for many other areas in the country and people have had a hissy fit trying to keep them out. Sorry, but it takes more than the feds saying they'll do this -- communities have to WANT it and stop the fighting/paranoia.

In short, local areas are the ones who make "green jobs" work -- or not. The feds can do very little about it if the NIMBY-ers (who seem often to be liberal, btw) fight tooth and nail to keep alternative energy out of THEIR neighborhoods and towns.
Two words - Eminent Domain. You can't stop the Fed.

And the Government has always had tools it can use to spur innovation. Case study - The Space Program.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:49 AM
 
Location: PA
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What's his plan for the outdated electrical grid? How about the 1930's rail system?

Ron Paul proposed closing some miltary bases in JAPAN and GERMANY and rebuilding some of our infastructure. The rail system does need to upgrades in some places but the Federal government has a hard time keeping Amtrak running. Also the money saved on the wars and foreign aid could be invested into nuclear energy even if we just put a new one in every state. The Electrical grid is a problem and I'm sure the ELECTRIC Companies if they were wise would look to see what they can do to resolve the issue. AFTER all it will cost them if they dont address the issue. I'm sure the industry has talked to congress about the RULES and RESTRICTS on the grids and how many because the ECO-Liberals.

Also see House bill H.R. 2415 by Ron Paul submitted last year before Obama and McCain even knew what the heck was going on.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Ron Paul proposed closing some miltary bases in JAPAN and GERMANY and rebuilding some of our infastructure. The rail system does need to upgrades in some places but the Federal government has a hard time keeping Amtrak running. Also the money saved on the wars and foreign aid could be invested into nuclear energy even if we just put a new one in every state. The Electrical grid is a problem and I'm sure the ELECTRIC Companies if they were wise would look to see what they can do to resolve the issue. AFTER all it will cost them if they dont address the issue. I'm sure the industry has talked to congress about the RULES and RESTRICTS on the grids and how many because the ECO-Liberals.

Also see House bill H.R. 2415 by Ron Paul submitted last year before Obama and McCain even knew what the heck was going on.
Ron Paul's plan resends portions of the Trade Act of 1974 with the Russian Federation. He also supports drilling but does not address the current leases and why they are untapped. What does he need access to another 600 Million acres for? What wrong with the other 70% of the 64 Million he's got now?

Hate to break this to you but S. 115 predates Ron Paul's efforts by 4 months as well as addresses in deliberate terms the following -

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

  • Congress finds that--
    • (1) record highs in oil and natural gas prices have resulted in record profits for oil and natural gas producers and refiners;
    • (2) oil prices are projected to remain high for the foreseeable future;
    • (3) the Department of the Interior estimates that as much as $66,000,000,000 worth of oil and natural gas taken from the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico over the next 5 years will be exempt from Government royalty payments, which could amount to the Government losing an estimated $7,000,000,000 to $9,500,000,000 based on anticipated production and current price projections for oil and gas, according to an analysis in the 5-year budget plan of the Department of the Interior;
    • (4) the chief executive officers of the top 5 oil companies stated at a November 9, 2005, joint hearing of the Committee on Energy and Natural Resource of the Senate and the Committee on Environment and Public Works of the Senate that their companies did not need the Federal tax incentives provided in the Energy Policy Act of 2005 (42 U.S.C. 15801 et seq.);
    • (5) the Statement of Administration Policy of June 14, 2005, on the energy bill that would become the Energy Policy Act of 2005 states, `The President believes that additional taxpayer subsidies for oil-and-gas exploration are unwarranted in today's price environment, and urges the Senate to eliminate the Federal oil-and-gas subsidies and other exploration incentives contained in the bill.'; and
    • (6) incentives for the energy industry should be focused on the development of renewable energy resources in the United States that will also promote, jobs, investment, innovation, and economic development in rural, agriculture-dependent areas.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:15 AM
 
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Ron Paul also plans to repeal portions of the Federal Gas tax....love to see him join that firestorm. The Midwest and Northeast will love him come Spring.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:19 AM
 
Location: PA
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The 2415 bill and other ideas of Ron Paul are for the relief of the citizen at the pump which is mostly to remove the gas taxes with is accounts for a third of some of the price depending on the state taxes. I think that is something Government can do since they impossed the tax to begin with. Other then that in a free market you must allow the government to get out of the way and let companies build refineries which is the problem. Because of federal regulations are not allowed to in some places or it takes years and years to get approvals to BUILD one. While most of the other counties in the world build theirs without all the extra government restrictions and environmental groups hanging over their backs. Sure the oil companies made profits that is their business and I'm confused where you think they are in the business for. I will say that the supply and demand of the oil, hurriances and other dependancies, government subs for corn and market speculations have caused more problems. Also I would like to add that a WAR in the middle east doesnt help things. A Nation in general should get off foreign oil just for the stand point for independance and availablity to local markets. Reguardless of the current prices and you shouldnt deal with countries that have political and dictators because you aren't sure the realiablity of the region. To secure that region you shouldnt need to send men and women who are suppose to defend our country to defend the oil companies production and stablity either.
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:36 AM
 
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The 2415 bill and other ideas of Ron Paul are for the relief of the citizen at the pump which is mostly to remove the gas taxes with is accounts for a third of some of the price depending on the state taxes. I think that is something Government can do since they impossed the tax to begin with. Other then that in a free market you must allow the government to get out of the way and let companies build refineries which is the problem. Because of federal regulations are not allowed to in some places or it takes years and years to get approvals to BUILD one. While most of the other counties in the world build theirs without all the extra government restrictions and environmental groups hanging over their backs. Sure the oil companies made profits that is their business and I'm confused where you think they are in the business for. I will say that the supply and demand of the oil, hurriances and other dependancies, government subs for corn and market speculations have caused more problems. Also I would like to add that a WAR in the middle east doesnt help things. A Nation in general should get off foreign oil just for the stand point for independance and availablity to local markets. Reguardless of the current prices and you shouldnt deal with countries that have political and dictators because you aren't sure the realiablity of the region. To secure that region you shouldnt need to send men and women who are suppose to defend our country to defend the oil companies production and stablity either.
What's the $7,000,000,000 to $9,500,000,000 Trillion dollar exemption for?

Here's relief at the pump ->

By Rex Nutting (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/mailto.asp?x=114+110+117+116+116+105+110+103&y=Rex +Nutting&z=marketwatch.com&guid=%7B2673c102-68e0-41d9-9c9a-10ee2e723948%7D&siteid=mktw - broken link) & Michael Kitchen (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/mailto.asp?x=109+107+105+116+99+104+101+110&y=Mich ael+Kitchen&z=marketwatch.com&guid=%7B2673c102-68e0-41d9-9c9a-10ee2e723948%7D&siteid=mktw - broken link), MarketWatch
Last update: 4:24 p.m. EDT June 23, 2008

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The price of retail gasoline could fall by half, to around $2 a gallon, within 30 days of passage of a law to limit speculation in energy-futures markets, four energy analysts told Congress on Monday.

Testifying to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management said that the price of oil would quickly drop closer to its marginal cost of around $65 to $75 a barrel, about half the current $135.
Fadel Gheit of Oppenheimer & Co., Edward Krapels of Energy Security Analysis and Roger Diwan of PFC Energy Consultants agreed with Masters' assessment at a hearing on proposed legislation to limit speculation in futures markets.

What does Senator Paul think about this?
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Old 06-24-2008, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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State taxes exist to provide citizens a benefit. The benefit of the State Gasoline tax is road construction. How would Senator Paul subsidize or pay for the cost of road construction?
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