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Old 07-06-2008, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Interesting the founder of this group was a member of McCain's Virginia team. And that McCain campaign drivers Liebermann and Graham were both on this group's advisory board... in direct contradiction with a conflict-of-interest directive put out by McCain.

Not sure why this is news. Troops are not Robots. They are human beings with many different perspectives on the War. You can easily find plenty of Anti-War Groups set up by Iraqi and Afghan Vets.

The largest group with nearly 100,000 members, Iraqi and Afghanistan Veterans of America, is a group worth supporting because they do not try to insert themselves into the politics of the War. Rather, their primary motivation is supporting the troops in the field and once they come home, in any way possible.

They gave McCain a D and Obama a B+ for their legislative records in Supporting The Troops.
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I'd like to hear someone ask McCain, if the surge has worked so well, why aren't you talking about making preparations to come home?
Excellent question!
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Old 07-06-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Interesting the founder of this group was a member of McCain's Virginia team. And that McCain campaign drivers Liebermann and Graham were both on this group's advisory board... in direct contradiction with a conflict-of-interest directive put out by McCain.

Not sure why this is news. Troops are not Robots. They are human beings with many different perspectives on the War. You can easily find plenty of Anti-War Groups set up by Iraqi and Afghan Vets.

The largest group with nearly 100,000 members, Iraqi and Afghanistan Veterans of America, is a group worth supporting because they do not try to insert themselves into the politics of the War. Rather, their primary motivation is supporting the troops in the field and once they come home, in any way possible.

They gave McCain a D and Obama a B+ for their legislative records in Supporting The Troops.
It appears that beyond the failing grade, the ad may just open the door for a myriad of counter-ads, and really expose how many in & out of uniform, do not support the continuation of combat in the region in the manner proposed.


~Interesting stats - outnumbered 100-1?
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:04 PM
 
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Meanwhile, the folks speaking in the ad were actually on the ground there. The question is will the ad be effective, and having these folks speak up won't hurt.
The ad will be effective to the believers in McCain and the continued use of a full strength effort in Iraq. It will not sway the non believers so that leaves those undecided. McCain can only take so many statements equating him to military/combat/intervention until that becomes part of his identity. The question for undecided voters might not be about Iraq but American intervention elsewhere at another time and place. Will Senator McCain be quick to intervene or more slow and strategic?
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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An ad for Senator McCain from a guy using Senator Obama's Slogan....what will the public remember?
That's just the point. It is only a slogan in Obama's hands, since he has never changed anything.

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They claim it reduced violence, but political issues are still not resolved. So, the surge did not accomplish but half of the goal.
On the contrary, 16 of the 18 benchmarks have been met or satisfied. I know it is hard to find news like that since the liberal media likes to put their spin on it or not report it at all.

The sunni's are rejoining the political process and reconciliation is taking place. All good news, right? Are you all happy about that? Somehow I think some might not be - good news for America is bad news for the dems and Obama since they have invested themselves in the defeat of the US. To have Iraq turn around into a peaceful, young democracy and an ally of the US is a major blow to the dems/libs strategy in this election.

The fact is, the Iraqi parliament has done more more than our own congress.
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Old 07-06-2008, 08:41 PM
 
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That's just the point. It is only a slogan in Obama's hands, since he has never changed anything.



On the contrary, 16 of the 18 benchmarks have been met or satisfied. I know it is hard to find news like that since the liberal media likes to put their spin on it or not report it at all.

The sunni's are rejoining the political process and reconciliation is taking place. All good news, right? Are you all happy about that? Somehow I think some might not be - good news for America is bad news for the dems and Obama since they have invested themselves in the defeat of the US. To have Iraq turn around into a peaceful, young democracy and an ally of the US is a major blow to the dems/libs strategy in this election.

The fact is, the Iraqi parliament has done more more than our own congress.
Which is why the polls are so close at this time. McCain saddled with a losing President and Obama saddled with a losing Congress.
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Old 07-06-2008, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Now you see why Obama has to refuse to take public funding. This is just the first of many GOP shadow groups that will be running attack ads.
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Old 07-06-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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No matter what people say McCain was dead on right with the Iraq War, called and supported the surge and it is working fantastically. Even the Iraqi President says it is.

No matter what people say Obama was dead wrong on this war, he voted for funding and then chickened out when he voted against funding for it only once he knew he was running for the Presidency. This my folks is a person who just copped out of his responsibilities to us. His job is to protect us and do the right thing no matter what anyone or any job is before them, he copped out. He fell into the liberal trap of voting against something just for the sake of it and not for the right reasons.

Once he voted against funding after voting for it it tells me he will sell us out for his own gain and that is someone who doesnt deserve to be our President.

To answer the question above, a Military leader and a commander will not set a time line or a date for anything like this, then your mission is set in stone and can be hurt by doing so. I know McCain will bring them home when the time is right, he doesnt want them no more then anyone else but he understand how important it is to secure the middle east and end the threat of terrorism around the world, which we are doing.
So, McCain cannot and should not set any time, day or period, he should maintain that we are staying until the work is done which we all know the work is going pretty darn good right now.

So the Iraq issue is back and now the libs are trying to paint McCain as being or doing something wrong, well great people, McCain was so right that he should be honored that he stood his ground and did not give in to his parties demand like Obama did his.

Great job John McCain, you were right all along.
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Old 07-06-2008, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Now you see why Obama has to refuse to take public funding. This is just the first of many GOP shadow groups that will be running attack ads.
What about all the groups on the left that will be attacking McCain? They far outspent the republicans in 2004.
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Old 07-07-2008, 04:54 AM
 
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Once again we see that McCain is the sole and solid without a doubt candidate of the
War Lobby. Military activist are strongly in his corner and this can probably be judged as a precursor of his foreign policy.
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