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Old 01-28-2009, 06:35 PM
 
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I agree. I'd much rather have someone in charge who can make rational changes of decisions based on new evidence than someone who sticks to the same decision just because they're afraid to look wishy washy.

I wanted a bologna sandwich for lunch today, but when I got to the fridge, I found out I was out of bologna so decided to have peanut butter instead. Does that mean I flip flopped? No. It means I went with the information I thought I had, then found out it was wrong and changed my mind.
Well.

If you'd REALLY had a firm standing on your own principles, you'd have gone hungry.

And if you were self-sufficient unlike like all those handout begging hippie butt sex liberal loons...you'd have gone out and killed the pig yourself!

Durned libs!
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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what do vetoes have to do with this?
I think she was responding to the give and take. The Presidents pen is the final say, unless it goes back to be overturned.

The fact that Bush had the least vetoe's of any President in history (bar one) who only served for 6 months... Shows that he did let the people speak, and those put in office to represent them, did the people's business.


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Old 01-28-2009, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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I think she was responding to the give and take. The Presidents pen is the final say, unless it goes back to be overturned.

The fact that Bush had the least vetoe's of any President in history (bar one) who only served for 6 months... Shows that he did let the people speak, and those put in office to represent them, did the people's business.


freedom
It shows me he never read any of the bills he signed. If he had, he might have stopped the Depression before it started.
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Old 01-28-2009, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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It shows me he never read any of the bills he signed. If he had, he might have stopped the Depression before it started.
You may want to study the IMF and World bank. The Bilderberg society and a few other world powers before you put so much on Bush.

Economies are not under the control of Presidents and Congress, neither are wars.


freedom
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Old 01-29-2009, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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You may want to study the IMF and World bank. The Bilderberg society and a few other world powers before you put so much on Bush.

Economies are not under the control of Presidents and Congress, neither are wars.


freedom
Remember that while President Obama is in office.
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Remember that while President Obama is in office.
No kidding cue! I'm amazed at the double standard firmly cemented after only 9 days. Wow.
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:03 AM
 
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Remember that while President Obama is in office.
Wouldn't forget it, puppets unite.....


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Old 01-29-2009, 11:55 AM
 
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I think she was responding to the give and take. The Presidents pen is the final say, unless it goes back to be overturned.

The fact that Bush had the least vetoe's of any President in history (bar one) who only served for 6 months... Shows that he did let the people speak, and those put in office to represent them, did the people's business.


freedom
Bush had the least vetoes because he had the most signing statements. Signing statements that were particularly special, because unlike previous Presidents' signing statements, Bush outlined how he would enforce, AND how he would NOT enforce those laws. He effectively used signing statements as line-item vetoes, which was not Constitutional, but did reduce the need for outright vetoes.
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Old 01-29-2009, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Bush had the least vetoes because he had the most signing statements. Signing statements that were particularly special, because unlike previous Presidents' signing statements, Bush outlined how he would enforce, AND how he would NOT enforce those laws. He effectively used signing statements as line-item vetoes, which was not Constitutional, but did reduce the need for outright vetoes.
Proof of unconstitutionality?

You realize administration is not legislative, nor judicial... which have to sign off on all that?

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Old 01-29-2009, 01:04 PM
 
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Line-item vetoes for the POTUS were ruled a violation of the Constitution by the Supreme Court in 1998. (Congress voted to give the power to President Clinton in 1996, but was overruled by the judicial branch in subsequent court cases.) Signing statements were traditionally ways for Presidents to put political spin on legislation they had supported, or to explain their opposition. Bush took that to an entire new level, where he used signing statements to explain why laws didn't apply to his administration, and he acted on those signing statements by a variety of executive orders. No one signed off on what he did, but the other branches could certainly have challenged him (and did so, as when judges repeatedly told Bush his policy re: Guantanomo was unlawful). Those challenges would either take the form of a legislative rebellion (hardly likely considering the Republican majority he enjoyed for most of his tenure) or court decisions against his administration, which take a long time, and are rulings based on technicalities that don't make for good sound bites.
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