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Old 08-07-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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can't use fear to gain office anymore? repeat that, and tell it to moveon.org.

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That's election death to insist on a religious principle especially since McCain doesn't believe in banning abortion. McCain is finding that it is impossible to be a Republican & yet attract voters [can not use fear\ intolerance to gain office anymore].
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:02 PM
 
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Does the "Religious Right" include the Catholic Church? I suppose you can view the change in position as pandering to the Religous Right. Or maybe he has decided to stop pandering to radical feminists and their ilk.
You mean, he had an epiphany, and it's just too private to share? Uh, no. He's paying James Dobson.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Many happen to agree with Mccain that the decision belongs with the individual states. I do.

There are many who consider the SCOTUS decision to be bad law. They basically just pulled it out of their a**es.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:08 PM
 
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Many happen to agree with Mccain that the decision belongs with the individual states. I do.

There are many who consider the SCOTUS decision to be bad law. They basically just pulled it out of their a**es.
It results from the current interpretation of the 14th Amendment. So is the legality of contraceptives and "the privacy of your own home." Isnt it a waste of time for each state to fight over this language? It already exists.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Washington state
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Many happen to agree with Mccain that the decision belongs with the individual states. I do.

There are many who consider the SCOTUS decision to be bad law. They basically just pulled it out of their a**es.

Who's "many", you, the right wing religious freaks, and the Fox News contributors? Anyway this isn't about abortion, it's about McCain's flip flop on the issue.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:11 PM
 
Location: los angeles
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You mean, he had an epiphany, and it's just too private to share? Uh, no. He's paying James Dobson.
Your right & that's a high price to pay a man who only a few months ago claimed he'd never vote for McCain. Dobson is like the man you pay your dues to in order to get the blessing of Dobson's mullah kin.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:33 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Does the "Religious Right" include the Catholic Church? I suppose you can view the change in position as pandering to the Religous Right. Or maybe he has decided to stop pandering to radical feminists and their ilk.
It is not only "Radical Feminists" who are for abortion rights. The majority of Americans support some form of abortion rights.

Abortion
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:34 PM
 
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You mean, he had an epiphany, and it's just too private to share? Uh, no. He's paying James Dobson.
James Dobson may be of the Right. But he doesn't represent the "Religious Right." He's a psychologist, not a minister. As a psychologist he specializes in family issues. He doesn't have a ministry, any more than Dr. Joy Brown, the radio psychologist, has a ministry
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:36 PM
 
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Who's "many", you, the right wing religious freaks, and the Fox News contributors? Anyway this isn't about abortion, it's about McCain's flip flop on the issue.
How about Lawrence Tribe, the eminent (and very liberal) legal scholar and professor at Harvard?
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Stanwood, Washington
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"rare"?
Rarity is a myth. There are almost as many children killed in the USA as there are born, every year.

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This discriminates against poor women and girls.
If you are trying to say that taking away the right to kill another person is wrong, well golly I guess your argument is contradictory to the hypocratic oath which states "I will not assist a woman to procure an abortion." Further, girls do not have the right to kill anyone, especially outside of the knowledge of their parents.

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Why doesnt he say something more along the lines of what Obama says - work toward decent education, encourage parental involvement with their children, volunteer work... unifying our nation, not keeping it divided and encouraging division and estrangement (oh yeah, school vouchers he's for, too).
From a position of weakness and poverty, education solves only money and things to think about, not values. Values is what is missing when a woman chooses to kill someone so their own lives are not interrupted any further. Unification will only come from people's hearts, and no amount of education or government entitlements will change that. Knowledge is not wisdom.

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He is cravenly pandering to the Religious Right, in exchange for the horrid Dr. Dobson's reluctant, sullen endorsement which I dont think he's even received officially yet (correct if wrong please). And the worst part is, it's a flip-flop! He knows the reality and yet he barges on ahead after those votes like a pig after slops.
If you want to play politics, go play with another one of your liking. I don't play politics, and McCain's name was not in my post.

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It's not purple prose to say that he's exchanging women's and girls' lives for whatever votes he might get out of this.
What about the women's lives who are silently killed in the name of choice? You will never know. And that is the best part for selfish women... they will never have to know who they killed. The baby just goes away...

Feminism never ceases to amuse me. End of subthread.

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